Thank God I live in Texas!

 

Get a lawyer now.

That's at least 15 years before any transmission "numbers" were a part of a registration.
They probably saw a casting number

If enough cases can be made against improperly applying laws and seizure, those bike-only roadblocks can be stopped, but it will take lawyers.

 

Fuck that! Just go down there and blow the place up with a truckload of fertilizer!

Just kidding.

I'm sure it was a casting # they were looking at. Man that sucks.
Good luck getting it back. If we could sue cops for being ignorant and stupid we would all be rich.

 

Man, that realllllllly blows. Fuckers. Better watch where they tow it to, and how it's stored. I've picked up friends bikes from impound laying on their side in the dirt of a shit towyard. Outside. Wonder if they'll nail you with "storage fees"??

 

Motherfucker. Spray paint chipper on my bike and I would be needing bail money AND in-pound lot money. Get that shit out of there quick the fees snowball so fast you can lose your scoot before you know what hit you. What's with New York lately, first that law about pipes, now this.

 

the # looked to be stamped (what was left of it), could some one look at there 4spd and see (maybe post a pic) the area is on the front side near the right side (your lines fron the oil pump pry go right over them.


Arrrgh!


Jeff

 

the # looked to be stamped (what was left of it), could some one look at there 4spd and see (maybe post a pic) the area is on the front side near the right side (your lines fron the oil pump pry go right over them.

Arrrgh!

Jeff

I don't care if it's blatantly obvious that you've fucked with the #s. The police are not there to make decisions on wether to strip your paint. They are there to enforce the law, or to ask the court what the proper legal course is in cases of suspicion. That is all.

The second the assholes came with that can I would have stepped in front of the bike and told them that it's your private property, they can't strip it without a court order, and called a lawyer right then and there.

 

I'm not understanding this.... how is it legal ANYWHERE for cops to spray chemical chipper on a bike? That's YOUR private property.

 

Im with mpls on this, thats some fucked up shit - I think i would be in jail and yes there will be storage fees that they call impound fees.

 

You know, it's impossible that stripping paint off your bike when they pull you over is legal.

They can't do that.

In order to do that they would need to get an order from the court showing reasonable cause (which would need to be proof supporting the idea that you may have a modified vin or stolen bike.)

I would get a lawyer and sue. For real.

 

I was told they either do it or Impound it then do it there. So I reluctantly allowed it (it was just crappy black). I didnt think I had any thing to worry about!


Jeff

 

I was told they either do it or Impound it then do it there. So I reluctantly allowed it (it was just crappy black). I didnt think I had any thing to worry about!

Jeff

Shoulda told them to impound it then, and called a lawyer right that second.

 

so the could read the VIN more clearly, everything matched, then they found a part number on my tranny that they couldnt read (I admit it did look bugered up). Shit this is an OLD bike,

Everyone can just sit at their screens and speculate, detailed info can help.

Namely, is it titled as a '72 to the stock HD '72 frame number?

If not, if it has a special-construction or "builders" title, then they could require component-numbers, but not on a stock-titled '72.

 

Just saw your post on craigslist! Holy shit that blows! Thats another reason I stay away from the Americade.

 

Dragon....have you seen #'s stamped (on ratchet top cases)where he's referring to?

 

Like Dragon said, Apples and Oranges. Cast in Date code #s.

 

No, that was Not the #s in question. these #'s where more on the front leading edge And they were not a cast feature, they were stamped and looked to be hit several times w/ a ball peen hammer.

Jeff
Im apperciating all the help guys.

 

Dragon....have you seen #'s stamped (on ratchet top cases)where he's referring to?

Nope.

 

Didnt remember seeing any there either. Just checking.

 

I can't imagine this. Just the road block blows my mind.
Our winters may be cold and long, but I am glad to be in a free state!

 

one of our guys had his inpounded, took over a year and i dont know how much $$$$ to get it back, and that was with a lawer. this shits fucked up, why dont they impound hot rods?

 

For that matter they could pull over a group of sport bikes or even vintage Italian motorscooters and find plenty of non-matching or "missing" numbers. They could pull over import racers and find non-matching engine numbers, too.

Stupidly enough all Harleys have the "Outlaw Biker" stigma attached to them, and law enforcement still thinks the only reason to customize a bike is to hide the fact that it is stolen.

Does ABATE advocate against Biker Roadblocks or do they just concentrate on their pet peeve, helmet laws?

 

so do the date codes being iledgible make it stollen?

No, cause date-codes are just like casting numbers on various parts of your frame, they are part-date-manufacture indicators (sometimes spanning many years w/the same number.

They were NEVER entered on any titling or registration files.

Like "belly-numbers" on the lower crankcase-halves, they are merely reference numbers, and not recorded per legality.

 

Awsome info, Can this info be proven? I dont doubt you, but I need to show this came from somwhere becides just internet hearsay).

jeff

 

fuckin amatuers dont know what there looking for! dont they have father rapers to arrest and bigger crime to attend to!

 

a dealership should be able to write ya up something.

 

I don't know what year they started, but some ratchet top/electric start transmissions have an ID number stamped on them that is tied to a specific bike. I had a DPS Theft Division Officer check every bike in my shop a couple of times and he checked transmission numbers.

It seems to me that they would have to prove the transmission is out of a stolen bike, not just replaced.
Larry T


After thinking about it, I'm gonna guess they started stamping the transmissions in 1970. That's when they started the frame deal and stamping the triple trees with ID numbers.

 

I think the deal is that there ARENT supposed to be #'s in that location. (stamped or otherwise) Also, if somebody was doing any shady shit; a crappy stamp job is par for the course, and sure to throw up a red flag to the law.
Tell you what; if they only fuck w/you regarding the tranny; I have an old ratchet top case here I'll send you for free, let me know if you need it. One thing for sure, like Little D said: Get that thing out of there ASAP, you'll get CRUSHED for storage/impound fees... like $100 a day. I've picked up bikes the morning following a late night impound to the tune of 300+. Tow companies with a city PD contract are like the mafia... you cant fuck with them; just pay up or go home on foot. (I used to tow for the cops on contract, this is no bullshit)

 

Well I'm sure I'm gonna get flammed for this one...but what does your regrestration say? If your numbers match on a frame and motor, which indicates that you've registered it correctly cause NY requires that as part fo their registration then you have no problems. But if you haven't done any of these things then yes, the police, or the law enforcers can "enforce" you to submit your vehicle to further inspection.

Bottom line, if you have a proper regrestration then they can not take your vehicle for what you've outlined, but if you've been drinking, smoking, looking stupid and they "suspect" somthing then they can take and do what ever they want by the "powers vested in them by the state of ..."

Get your facts straight, get your wits, get your money and call a lawyer...innocent until proven guilty but really it's your word against their's...I don't practice law but i did stay at a holiday inn(and I went to law school)

 

In all honesty, These guys are just doing there job. Im still fucking pissed but theres no one to talk too untill monday now.
As I just read on my impound reciept:

"bla blah blah......shall seize and confiscate a motor vehicle or trailer if any original id number or special id number is destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed."

well, there were #'s there, and they had been defaced at one time before I got the bike, so it seems they had all the right to take it.

Now I just need to worry about getting it back as fast as I can.

Jeff

 

any original id number or special id number

Seems like if the number on that tranny that was dinged up was not an "I.D. number", than they are in the wrong. If its just a casting number then there isn't shit they can do.

 

There job is to use their best judgement in upholding the law. Not to fuck with stand up dudes(not that I personally know you, but it seems you did nothing wrong). I seriously question this country government more and more every day. I hope everything works out for you, good luck.

 

What is with the singling out of Bikes & Not fucking with the
Autos, Seems VERY UNConstitutional to Me.
Also appears to be a desperate attempt to increase state revenues.
keep us updated on this beurucRATic BullSHIT. & Good Luck.

 

What is with the singling out of Bikes & Not fucking with the
Autos, Seems VERY UNConstitutional to Me.
Also appears to be a desperate attempt to increase state revenues.
keep us updated on this beurucRATic BullSHIT. & Good Luck.

I've been on the Auto side of this - we were traveling to one of the early Mustang Shoot Out Series in Hotlanta. We had about 25 cars in a convoy and they stopped us to check all sorts of shit - even wanted to know where the TAG was for a trailered race car. We got stopped because some local went flying past us in a Black Mustang and when the cops saw a black car in our line they pulled us over and said ' You expect me to believe there are TWO Black Mustangs on this road?' We had FOUR with us and since we were all stopped we got the perverbial anal probe.

BTW No one went to jail or got impounded because the local came flying back by and the cops took off after him.

JCS64 Good Luck getting your toy back - I think I would talk to that lawyer about suing that individual cop for distruction of property then go after the city/county/state