Yea ive seen them before. Im looking for something with alittle more detail, and not just a flat plate. The plates from a factory h-d has more detail from being machined instead of being just flat. Plus it really doesnt look new, because it's still a plate, and you can see the axle. You can look on ebay under h-d swingarms and see what im talking about. They would be nice looking on a rigid.