I have a 72 from Ca with sorta the same deal. Looks like an earlier HD frame with a metal tag rivited to neck which is now gone except for rivets and very small piece of metal. No stamped vin and the pogo seat post makes me say 70 down hd frame. Title says 72Harley Davidson CA50345, engine# is correct which specs out as 72 FL. I am afraid of getting a title in TX as they would give me some bs assembled title as well. I traded my son my softail for it so I will just have him keep registering it in CA for me and I will reg the softail for him. Interested to see how this works out for you.
Titling Nightmare.....
So here's the story. I bought a 1962 FL from California. I received a title from the seller that reads 1962 HD. The vin number on the title is what happens to be the frame number on what I believe to be a paughco frame. The left case engine number is on the title under engine number. Now here is where it gets interesting. I live in Kansas. I go to get it inspected at the local tag office. They send me to have it inspected by a trooper. This fuck nut tells me that. California messed up and it will not be registered in Kansas as a 1962 Harley-Davidson. Instead, it must be registered as a 2005 assembled vehicle, since that is when this title was issued for this bike that year. I asked the guy when he was done if I could appeal his decision. He looked at his partner with a lot of confusion like he'd never been challenged in his life. Mind you, this was a stout, damn near 7 foot cop. Long story short they thought that they were the final say after mumbling to each other for a couple of minutes. I understand that the vin should be the engine number, but why doesn't the bike get to remain as a 1962? I bought this as a 62, and will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. What are my options? I thought about talking to a title company.
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You could look for a stock pre-1970 Harley frame, swap everything over to it, and then apply for a brand new title as a 1962 H-D.
Or you could try to correct the current title to: 1) have the frame numbers removed, or 2) have the vin number changed to the engine number (which is the proper vin for any pre-1970 Harley) and the frame number as the secondary id number. It all depends on the laws in your state.
Sounds like the inspector was just giving you a hard time. It does sound like he was correct that someone in CA messed up by listing the frame number as the vin instead of the engine number.
Good luck getting it sorted out.
Or you could try to correct the current title to: 1) have the frame numbers removed, or 2) have the vin number changed to the engine number (which is the proper vin for any pre-1970 Harley) and the frame number as the secondary id number. It all depends on the laws in your state.
Sounds like the inspector was just giving you a hard time. It does sound like he was correct that someone in CA messed up by listing the frame number as the vin instead of the engine number.
Good luck getting it sorted out.
Sounds right to me. the motor vin is the title #. If you are in a state where they inspect it better be right. In ny they would have handed me a plate with a paper title. It state by state as far as rules .
In a lot of states,Mississippi being one of them,the title stays with the vin # on the frame,regardless of the engine,whether it's original or after market.
if you have the correct numbers on your engine just apply for a title in a state where you can do a vin tracing and make sure you only have those numbers on the title nothing more nothing less
you might have to go through a title service also to achieve this
you might have to go through a title service also to achieve this
Because it has frame numbers and that's what your state is going by. They want you to have a 2005 assembled vehicle because that is what it is. Once you switch to an aftermarket frame, you essentially forfeit that original title that went to the engine.
Now if your '62 didn't have frame numbers then you'd be alright to title it as a '62 by the engine vin. Get rid of the paughco frame and get yourself a non-numbered, oem '69 and earlier frame.
Now if your '62 didn't have frame numbers then you'd be alright to title it as a '62 by the engine vin. Get rid of the paughco frame and get yourself a non-numbered, oem '69 and earlier frame.
I feel like we are missing something here. Can you post a scan or a pic of the title? If there's nothing about "2005" (like SPCN, ASPT, etc), where are the police even getting "2005" from?I received a title from the seller that reads 1962 HD.
Instead, it must be registered as a 2005 assembled vehicle, since that is when this title was issued for this bike that year.
Here's a pic of the title, with some partial white outs.
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This would be the way most would like to see happen...if you have the correct numbers on your engine just apply for a title in a state where you can do a vin tracing and make sure you only have those numbers on the title nothing more nothing less
you might have to go through a title service also to achieve this
I'm in this boat on a oar myself....
......Some states are going to frame only numbers....
Problems stick there ugly heads up with this going on...
With the 69 and back bikes, the state issues a new vin. number and tad's the frame. You would think that they could "Grandfather" the OG motor case numbers in...???
Here is my story on my 55 IH truck...
Moved from Kentucky to Nevada a few years ago...
Had the truck for more then 20 years in Ky. licensed under the 55 vin code on the body...
That didn't fly in Nv. They did a new vin. number and I got a brand new IH truck...
The DMV pretty much got you by the cluster...
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Now you get to pay property taxes on a new truck. Well if you have them there?Here is my story on my 55 IH truck...
Moved from Kentucky to Nevada a few years ago...
Had the truck for more then 20 years in Ky. licensed under the 55 vin code on the body...
That didn't fly in Nv. They did a new vin. number and I got a brand new IH truck...
The DMV pretty much got you by the cluster...
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..Yep....By the balls and a tight grip at that.......Now you get to pay property taxes on a new truck. Well if you have them there?
George is on his soap box in this Video....
I think all states are going to go by frame numbers if the bike is a 1970 and later, or it has frame numbers, as in this case, aftermarket frame that someone stamped the vin # into.......Some states are going to frame only numbers....
With the 69 and back bikes, the state issues a new vin. number and tad's the frame. You would think that they could "Grandfather" the OG motor case numbers in...???
The DMV pretty much got you by the cluster...
Does that paughco frame have it's own serial number? It's weird that someone stamped in the same number as the engine number. Was this done by a previous owner or the state?
I don't think grandfathering in the case vin is going to work, they saw frame numbers and are insisting to go by those, eventhough they match the engine vin. You need to find out who stamped that vin # into the frame.
The dmv does have you in a tough spot here.
something sucks in cali.theres a guy on the horse board that took his pan to get registered after completing it.good #s on the cases and the inspecter registered it as a 2000 something.softtail i think.seems like it happens often there. i was told to carry my mso for my frame w/ me even though its reggied by the motor #s just in case the cop didnt know about old bikes.no titles here in ny for old shit,just transferable reggies
In Minnesota, anything older than 1971 needs engine numbers only, Else it's frame and engine numbers and they don't put the engine numbers on the title so you need to give them the engine numbers so they can put in in a database. What's even more confusing is I just bought a 1974 BMW R90/6 with a different vin # than frame number and when the lady asked me the engine number she looked at her computer and said OK. And issued me a new title which has got some weird vin# on it. I didn't want to question it.....
In your position in Michigan, I would have someone knock me up a Bill Of Sale for a 1962 HD using the engine numbers only. That's usually enough here to get a title issued. I'd be tempted to repaint the frame and give an extra heavy coat over the old VIN, or, as recommended earlier, find a pre-70 un-numbered frame.
Send it through maine or arkansas
Wisconsin used engine numbers for my bsa and harley (1967/1971) Come up here I have a rental, and get it titled here
Looks like a special construction titke by the frame # and a lot of states want those retitled again for some reason. If it was a manufactures bike it.wouldnt be a problem. I dont undeurstand the logic it should be good but that's the requirments in some places . Here I could title that engine vin without paper. Maybe you can go that route. Title isn't even the right word, I could register it because they only issue titles for post 73 .
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