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How many inches (approximately) will a springer compress with the engine mounted, and no inner helper springs ? Are those helper springs necesary?

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Don't know the compression answer but mock it up and see.I'd run the inner springs.Keeps fork from being a pogo stick and you'll bottom without them.What springer and what bike?I'm looking at adding a shock absorber to my H.D. springer tho not the old harley shock. -Strat.
 
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