[Brog]

Tried searching with no luck. If this has been discussed previously then I'm sorry.

I've always been a big fan of Indian Larry's bikes and especially "Grease Monkey" with the Panhead motor that had an evo bottom end.

Can anyone explain to me how this was done? Does everything just bolt right up or was there a ton of machining involved?

Thanks

 

[hapygil]

I don't know about evo bottoms, but some folks have put pan tops on cone style shovel bottoms, different barrels and heads, and some oil line issues, I don't think its to big of a deal, but there is a lot more people on this board that know a lot more than I do. Good luck with it.

 

[Brog]

Ok so that leads to another question. Are the cone-style shovel bottom ends the same as the evo bottom ends? They look very similar

 

[Dr. Benway]

http://www.jasonmcelroy.com/upperrebuild.htm

 

[Destralo Roach]

Yes you can do that, you just need to weld up the EVO stud holes and redrill for the pan barrels, use out side oiler heads......

 

[Guest]

That's alot of doing...^^^

Axtell makes up jugs in the EVO base bolt pattern...
Those are up there in bucks...

Think the easy way is to start off with Shovel cases with your build.

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[Brog]

So I'm assuming the cone shovel cases are different than the evo cases? So the cone shovel cases will bolt right up with the pan stuff? The goal here is to avoid all of the machining business if at possible

 

[Guest]

So I'm assuming the cone shovel cases are different than the evo cases? So the cone shovel cases will bolt right up with the pan stuff? The goal here is to avoid all of the machining business

The base bolt pattern is diff from the EVO to the Shovel...and that's about all on the cases until you get up in the Head Breather years of the EVO.

The Cone Shovel will without any mods bolt down Knuck and Pan jugs to them....

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[Brog]

That is awesome, thanks very much dragstews. Thanks for the link also Dr. Benway

 

[Guest]

Sounds like you are going to have a Cool motor build going down here...

Post more on this as it happens ..Please

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[Soulfur]

There is this bolt on option for shovels

Or you could go quelle ridicullo

 

[Guest]

Cool Look .... Kinda gotta get up close to tell...

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Could do a all new parts Cone Pan....
With what is available in the way of after/market...It would have alot of today's up-grades that was known to be weak links in the OG designs back in the day.

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[DitchDigger]

What pistons would work if you used a 80 inch stock bottom end?

 

[sick]

brog:its not that simple,shovel cases whit shovel/pan cilinders wil fit to eachother in terms of boltpatern,panheads wil fit on shovel cilinders no problem.

the tricky word is OILLINES....

pan head oilchannels will not line up whit shovel cilinders as fatr as i know.
so you have to run external öillines from cases/oilpump to heads.

 

[caschnd1]

OEM Panhead bolt pattern will not work with a shovel cylinder.

 

[samwe]

I wish someone made Shovel cylinders with EVO base pattern. I can get a good evo bottom much cheaper than rebuilding a shovel.

 

[Guest]

I wish someone made Shovel cylinders with EVO base pattern. I can get a good evo bottom much cheaper than rebuilding a shovel.

Give a call to Axtell....Maybe they can spin you out a set....

http://www.axtellsales.com/

Always didn't care to see the 3/8" studs on the EVO base.
Kunck's, Pan's and Shovel's have 7/16 studs....If you drilled out the case on the EVO for the 7/16 would not have much support next to the case bore....EVO's are located more inboard

I know which one I would like to see down there..

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[Brog]

brog:its not that simple,shovel cases whit shovel/pan cilinders wil fit to eachother in terms of boltpatern,panheads wil fit on shovel cilinders no problem.

the tricky word is OILLINES....

pan head oilchannels will not line up whit shovel cilinders as fatr as i know.
so you have to run external öillines from cases/oilpump to heads.

OEM Panhead bolt pattern will not work with a shovel cylinder.

The base bolt pattern is diff from the EVO to the Shovel...and that's about all on the cases until you get up in the Head Breather years of the EVO.

The Cone Shovel will without any mods bolt down Knuck and Pan jugs to them....

Is it me or are there some conflicts here? What's the verdict?

What I can gather is, that I can do

-cone shovel cases
-shovel flywheels and pistons
-panhead cylinders
-panhead heads

and from there deal with the oil line issues

 

[Guest]

OEM Panhead bolt pattern will not work with a shovel cylinder.

Think what he is saying is.........

A pan cylinder will not work with Shovel heads as Shovel heads will not bolts down on Pan jugs.

As far as the Jugs bolting down on Kuncks, Pans and Shovel cases of all years....They will.

Even the U's had the same pattern and also the VL's.....

This is an Shovel cone case...(Delkron)....Has Shovel Jugs with S&S P-Heads, they have the same intake and exhaust as a Shovel ...and head bolt pattern of the Shovels.

The Pans with the T intake has a head bolt right in the way for using Shovel jugs...
When Harley made the Y intake for the Shovel that bolt was moved from the Pan's pattern...

Oil line issues are mute.....(Simple)

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[bobscogin]

Always didn't care to see the 3/8" studs on the EVO base.
Kunck's, Pan's and Shovel's have 7/16 studs...

Two different fastening techniques that don't really lend themselves to an apples to apples comparison. Intuitively, I feel as you do. However, when I think about it, I see how the the 3/8" studs work because they clamp the cylinder between the case and the head rather than just hold it down at the base. In that situation, a stud that will elongate when torqued probably provides better clamping force through it's elasticity than a short, larger diameter stud with less elongation before yield is reached.

Bob