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panhead flywheels??

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Hello, can a flywheel assembly with casting #'s of 150-372 and 150-374 be used in a stock 52 pan, ive researched and i cant figure out if these are flathead flywheels or pan,,, i believe they will work but im not 100% sure, thanks
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Those are UL/ULH flywheels. Several differences from Pan, the most important is that the stroke is longer so they will not work with stock pistons unless stroker plates are used. They are fine with stroker pistons.
The diameter of the flywheel is also smaller than a Pan type so the oil scraper in the cases needs to be built up to the correct relationship in order to scavenge properly.
And lastly the crankpin diameter is smaller on the tapers, they use the same pin size as a 61CI Pan/ Knuckle. It will work fine.
And you would need to use OHV rods as the UL type are too long for a Pan.
Robbie
I am lOoking at a rotating assembly minus pistons on the auction site. So other than striker pistons this should fit in my 52 pan with no problems. As far as the oil scraper can a piece be fabricated and bolted on or does the cases have to be welded. I don't have my cases w me to look at right now.
I did this in my pan not too long ago. The scraper plates can either be welded up or pieces bolted in. The problem is, with stroker plates its going to be a tight fit in a stock pan frame. you may have to clearanced some fins on the rear head, or maybe clearance the seatpost tube slightly. Or.... (this is the hard way) find some stroker pistons for the 4 9/32" stroke. You used to be able to get 4 1/4 (these fit you get some healthy compression)stroke pistons from everyone but s&s and most other companies have completley phased out 4 1/4" pistons for a 3 7/16 bore cylinder. (you cant get stroker pistons for this setup anymore) Most companies (i talked to a representative of all of the major manufacturers) stroker pistons sets are for the 84" setup which is 4 1/2" stroke. The other option is to take 80" shovel pistons and bore your cylinders to .060 over (stock size 80 pistons) . the only reason i found strocker pistons were some old dead stock that truett and osborne had. These flywheels will give your bike alot of torque throughout the range. just be careful as they have the small crankpin and there arent alot of places that still will convert them to the bigger size. (unless the ones on ebay have been previously bored for the big pin. Theres nothing wrong with the smaller pin. Also, with stroker plates, you are going to need a longer intake manifold to take up the space, and your pipes will need modifying.

So stroker plates or shovel pistons is the easy way. Only downside with shovel pistons is unless your cylinders are already 60 over your going to be skipping some bore sizes.
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thanks again, my cylinders are currently 10 over but im sure they are gonna need to go up prob to at least 20, so the shovel pistons might be the way to go.
I did this to my Panhead some years back and it's a pain. In my case, the flathead wheels I got had already been bored for the bigger crankpin, and had been bored offset to the outside, giving me just a little more stroke. I did a lot of math, and ended up with stroker pistons and stroker plates.

With the stroker plates, I also had to get a wider intake manifold, and longer pushrod clips. (shovelhead, shortened) My cases got drilled and tapped, and the scraper plates screwed in, but the guy who set it up left a little too much clearance (should have been .020") and it smoked out of the back jug and would occasionally foul a spark plug. I could get the engine in the frame without having to clearance anything but the thick D ring, but I couldn't take the rear head off with the engine in the frame.

Without the offset bore on the crankpin, and with the scraper plate set up correctly, you could use 80" shovelhead pistons and rods without stroker plates. (if the flathead rods are still with the wheels, they'll be too long.) Some math will tell you if low compression 80" shovelhead pistons (which I think they used in '81 and '82) would give you a decent compression ratio with the extra 1/64" inch of stroke.

As for me, last time the engine was rebuilt, I pulled all that old stuff out of there and went with HD 80" shovelhead flywheels, rods, and S&S cast pistons, (which I hear are no longer available.) I'm at +.050" now, so next top end I can go with the HD pistons. I'll just have to weight match them.
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To save yourself lots of time, effort, and expense you would be better off with stock Panhead flywheels, or Truett and Osborn Torque monsters. Then everything fits properly!
Robbie
To save yourself lots of time, effort, and expense you would be better off with stock Panhead flywheels, or Truett and Osborn Torque monsters. Then everything fits properly!
Robbie
That's what I'm gonna do, I told the seller to cancel my bid. It's getting to be too big of a problem to try and use the flathead assembly. Thanks for the advise everyone!
As Robbie says, it is extra work. That is the original 80" stroker. I did this to a '47 knuckle recently, welded up the scraper plates, used pistons from S&S. No stroker plates so it fit in the stock chassis just fine. A friend just built one with the T&O flywheels, no case mods, and he is quite happy.
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