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G. Exemption for Motorcycle Kits and Custom Motorcycles

During the rulemaking we sought comment on the need for emission
control requirements for motorcycle engines distinct and separate from
the current and future requirements for complete motorcycles. We sought
comment in this area because we had identified a small sector in the
motorcycle market where the engine manufacturer and chassis
manufacturer are not the same entity. This includes two very small
parts of the market: one in which motorcycles are assembled by
individuals from parts and subassemblies procured from motorcycle kit
marketers or other separate sources; and another in which elaborate
custom motorcycles are created for display by collectors. At this time,
we are not including any certification requirements for engine
manufacturers. See discussion in Chapter 1.5 of the Summary and
Analysis of Comments. The small volume motorcycle manufacturers who
purchase the vast majority of engines from other entities for
incorporation into the motorcycles will continue to be subject to the
regulations, and will continue to meet the requirements of the
regulations, as they have in the past.
However, for those individuals who put together a single motorcycle
for individual use and businesses that produce a handful of custom
motorcycles for display, we believe it is appropriate not to require
these entities to have to certify their assembled vehicles. Therefore,
we are promulgating provisions for two special exemptions. The first is
a one-time exemption for any person building a motorcycle from a kit
for individual use. We believe that the small benefit of having single
individuals certify to the standards is outweighed by the substantial
burden to these individuals in certifying. Moreover, because the
engines in such kits generally are built by the same companies as those
engines going to the small volume motorcycle manufacturers, who still
must certify and who will represent the majority of the engine-makers'
production, we believe that most of the engines will be the same or
very similar to the engines used in the certified motorcycles.
Individuals may not use this provision as a regulatory loophole to
modify or customize a certified motorcycle in a manner which adversely
affects emissions. This provision is limited to one motorcycle per
individual over the life of the provision.
In the case where the owner of the kit motorcycle is not the
assembler of the motorcycle, the limitation of one motorcycle per
person applies to the purchaser of the kit components of the
motorcycle, who we expect is the end user of the motorcycle, rather
than to the person or persons who actually assemble the motorcycle. A
kit purchaser may have the kit assembled by another party and retain
the one-time exemption for the motorcycle. In order to qualify for the
exemption under these circumstances, the kit must be purchased by the
ultimate owner before assembly begins. Parties or businesses who
purchase kit motorcycles for assembly and retail sale are not covered
by this exemption.

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what it sounds like to me is that any private builder gets one EXEMPTION over the life of the provision. you can build as many as you want after that. they just heve to be CERTIFIED.

i didnt get into the meat of the document enough to find out what the certification requirements are......
 

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Capt. Cal said:
jirard said:
That looks like occ's latest build
this actually first appeared in the early '70s in Easy Riders mag when all this same crap started up. this was Robinson's interpretation of a chopper that D.O.T and the E.P.A would want to see. but yeah, it does seem like a latest build from OCC.
 

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Like someone said earlier, why on earth would the EPA single out such a small group who's 15+ year old vehicles get better gas mileage than these new f#@king Hummers and Expeditions?

Helmet laws...EPA restrictions...one custom bike for life...

All's well in the People's Republic of California.

You will be assimilated.

 

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McQueen said:
Like someone said earlier, why on earth would the EPA single out such a small group who's 15+ year old vehicles get better gas mileage than these new f#@king Hummers and Expeditions?

Helmet laws...EPA restrictions...one custom bike for life...

All's well in the People's Republic of California.

You will be assimilated.

To be honest I think my FXR puts out more polutants than a new H3...
 

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To be honest I think my FXR puts out more polutants than a new H3...
Hahahaha! I think my 79 Trump does, too. But if you measure the pollutants, factor in the mpg, and the miles per year...I think we still come out ahead.

And that's not factoring in how energy/resource intensive building one of thoe SUVs is. Same with new bikes. I've always wanted to know how long you have to drive/ride a new vehicle to overcome the initial resources eaten up during manufacture of the vehicle...as opposed to resurrecting an older bike/car.

 

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Getting a little off topic, but regarding Harley's utter disregard for it's customers who want to customize their bikes, has anyone noticed the new Yamaha star commercials? They are directly targeting people who want to slice them up. Maybe not our style, but they see a big market and are embracing it. The pic is from their website. I know it's not everyone's taste here, but remarkable that a company would show something that has some (gasp) hand fabbed stuff. Maybe the'ir just trying to cash in, but you have to respect a company that tries to cash in by giving the customer what they want instead of trying to control the customer. My rants over, I just hate companies like Harley. Volkswagon did this a few years ago, they even sicked their lawyers on all the aftermarket companies that sold old aircooled stuff.
 

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People who frequent a board like this are not the Motor Company's focus. Their only focus is on selling NEW bikes. We are not that clientele. That clientele does not wrench on anything. They are the folks that thought it was just great to have Elton fucking John play at the 100th anniversary. Talk about losing touch with the folks who put you on the podium....
 

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james said:
Getting a little off topic, but regarding Harley's utter disregard for it's customers who want to customize their bikes, has anyone noticed the new Yamaha star commercials? They are directly targeting people who want to slice them up. Maybe not our style, but they see a big market and are embracing it. The pic is from their website. I know it's not everyone's taste here, but remarkable that a company would show something that has some (gasp) hand fabbed stuff. Maybe the'ir just trying to cash in, but you have to respect a company that tries to cash in by giving the customer what they want instead of trying to control the customer. My rants over, I just hate companies like Harley. Volkswagon did this a few years ago, they even sicked their lawyers on all the aftermarket companies that sold old aircooled stuff.
Harley loves for people to customize thier shit, just as long as you are buying the overpriced parts from the dealership (often chrome covers to cover poorly galvenized parts), and are paying the dealership handsomely to install your chrome covers. And the funny thing is, its like people enjoy this game, they just dont care, or even embrace the fact that they are paying too much money for products that do little. I realy like yamaha's star ad campaighn. It encourages people to go out and radically customize thier motorcycle, and they could give a shit less whos doin it, cuz they dont have there hand up the markets ass.
 

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Harley loves for people to customize thier shit, just as long as you are buying the overpriced parts from the dealership (often chrome covers to cover poorly galvenized parts), and are paying the dealership handsomely to install your chrome covers. And the funny thing is, its like people enjoy this game, they just dont care, or even embrace the fact that they are paying too much money for products that do little. I realy like yamaha's star ad campaighn. It encourages people to go out and radically customize thier motorcycle, and they could give a shit less whos doin it, cuz they dont have there hand up the markets ass.
EXACTLY.
 

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I cant wait to conform.(snicker)I am excited to get my uniform and blindly follow all the rules that the republic of california throws on my back.Can we have a curfew and regulation haircuts and no more overtime and ration out "funtime"..while we are at it.Maybe we should just be sold to our bosses fuck it.damaged units report to the soilent green processing plant immediatly!!
I wonder if AMF will save HD again??GO HD cut off your nose to spite your face!!
I bet if these same people were rationed on thier starbucks they would be upset too!
 

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1. This has been around now for over 6 months. While it's a law, there isn't anything in place to enforce the provisions of the act. Since it will (would be) very costly to implement it remain s to be seen if this will ever be anything more than just a law on the books.

2. If implementation occurs, all pre-2006 bikes that HAD emissions devices on them from the factory, will have to be operational... ie say you have a 1992 vintage, that somehow no longer has the breather vents returning to the carb and if the law is actually enforced, I'm subject to huge fines. Again the issue is how does California enforce & forturnately there is no plan...... yet.

Definitely in the Motor company's best interest to see this happen - virtually eliminates all small builders...
 

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[
Someone from the HAMB had brought up (and this stays with me daily as well) "The Boston Tea Party was touched off by less."

I think that's my favorite quote ever.[/quote]

fucking amen brother to that. the suits watch our ancestor flee europe ad elswhere settle the country and stepped in a bought it all back and got us hamstringed. in nutshell. mother fuckers.

off the soap box now. for now.:mad:
 

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The big hurdle is getting it titled...If a guy can be creative, title it as an older bike either by engine number or frame number, or make a "compliant" bike first, you can almost certainly get away with midifying it AFTER DOT has had their look at it. Most cops are not gonna even know the EPA regulations, much less care. As long as you have a good title, thats all that matters....

I have a buddy that figured out a way to title his bike as a 68, not a single 68 part on it, but its a legal title through a title company.
 

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Conder said:
What's it like in europe? How do you all get around all those stringent laws?
Hey you are all welcome here (Sweden).
The way i understand it (according to Wheels magazine i think)
the Government here in Sweden is trying to make new laws
to make life easier on custom builders.
 
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