there will be a lot more people running unregistered bikes...just grabbing a plate off of whatever else you got and taking your chances
No more custom bikes?
From the Hamb.
http://www.mrf.org/pp-epa-for-the-layman.php
California has passed a law/legislation that WILL almost completely eliminate custom bike building and essentially destroy the kit bike industry. We will give you a brief overview of the short of it.
For the direct link click here http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm and scroll down to Final Rule for Cleaner Highway Motorcycles (published January 15, 2004).
1) As of Jan. 1st 2006 Californians will only be allowed to build ONE custom motorcycle in their lifetime that is not E.P.A./D.O.T. certified.
2) If you have a "custom built motorcycle" titled/registered before Dec. 31st 2005 it will be grandfathered and will not count against you as your 1 in your lifetime.
3) If you sell, wreck, or lose your custom built bike (grandfathered or your one in a lifetime) due to accident, theft or anything.TOO BAD! NO REPLACEMENT!
4) Custom Shops, Professional Bike Builders, legitimate builders can build 24 bikes a year.here's the kicker..you can't ride them anywhere except from your home to a legitimate "show" and straight back home. If you get caught "cruising" on your CM stamped bike, it is gone!!!
5) Any bike that is not a Manufactured Vehicle, 100% D.O.T. compliant with title, will not be available except for the 1 in your lifetime.but there is a catch.
6) Within 5 years all motors must be fuel injected, E.P.A. compliant, no exhaust will be allowed that are not E.P.A. approved and NO MODIFYING PARTS to carburetion, air cleaners, custom exhaust will be allowed to be used if it alters the exhaust or emissions of a manufactured vehicle or on "custom built bikes".
7) If you build an Non-E.P.A./D.O.T. compliant bike and then you die, your estate cannot even sell your bike for .5 years!
Here is the bigger worry. The rest of us might also suffer this fate along with California. The Federal government, D.O.T. AND E.P.A., want to adopt this on a national level!!! If this happens, it will kill just about everyone in the kit bike business as well as a lot of exhaust, air cleaner, carburetor, performance manufacturers and others. Custom Chrome was smart enough to see that they can stay ahead of the curve and get their kits to Manufacturer Status so that once you are built with a title you will still be able to build your 1 custom in your lifetime, build as many of their bikes as you want, modify them easily to "custom" status but still play by the NEW rules. No other major kit bike distributor has pursued this. For those of you in CA (and probably the rest of the USA) by January 2006 if you have NOT BUILT YOUR CUSTOM BIKE BEFORE THIS you may only get one chance in your lifetime and you may only get to build one. And it will have to be the way the government wants it to look and run and maybe not how you want it to look and run. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT BUILDING YOUR OWN BIKE OR YOUR DREAM BIKE, YOU'D BETTER BUY RIGHT NOW! REMEMBER, WHATEVER YOU BUILD AND GET REGISTERED NOW WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND WON'T COUNT AS YOUR ONE CUSTOM.
http://www.mrf.org/pp-epa-for-the-layman.php
California has passed a law/legislation that WILL almost completely eliminate custom bike building and essentially destroy the kit bike industry. We will give you a brief overview of the short of it.
For the direct link click here http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm and scroll down to Final Rule for Cleaner Highway Motorcycles (published January 15, 2004).
1) As of Jan. 1st 2006 Californians will only be allowed to build ONE custom motorcycle in their lifetime that is not E.P.A./D.O.T. certified.
2) If you have a "custom built motorcycle" titled/registered before Dec. 31st 2005 it will be grandfathered and will not count against you as your 1 in your lifetime.
3) If you sell, wreck, or lose your custom built bike (grandfathered or your one in a lifetime) due to accident, theft or anything.TOO BAD! NO REPLACEMENT!
4) Custom Shops, Professional Bike Builders, legitimate builders can build 24 bikes a year.here's the kicker..you can't ride them anywhere except from your home to a legitimate "show" and straight back home. If you get caught "cruising" on your CM stamped bike, it is gone!!!
5) Any bike that is not a Manufactured Vehicle, 100% D.O.T. compliant with title, will not be available except for the 1 in your lifetime.but there is a catch.
6) Within 5 years all motors must be fuel injected, E.P.A. compliant, no exhaust will be allowed that are not E.P.A. approved and NO MODIFYING PARTS to carburetion, air cleaners, custom exhaust will be allowed to be used if it alters the exhaust or emissions of a manufactured vehicle or on "custom built bikes".
7) If you build an Non-E.P.A./D.O.T. compliant bike and then you die, your estate cannot even sell your bike for .5 years!
Here is the bigger worry. The rest of us might also suffer this fate along with California. The Federal government, D.O.T. AND E.P.A., want to adopt this on a national level!!! If this happens, it will kill just about everyone in the kit bike business as well as a lot of exhaust, air cleaner, carburetor, performance manufacturers and others. Custom Chrome was smart enough to see that they can stay ahead of the curve and get their kits to Manufacturer Status so that once you are built with a title you will still be able to build your 1 custom in your lifetime, build as many of their bikes as you want, modify them easily to "custom" status but still play by the NEW rules. No other major kit bike distributor has pursued this. For those of you in CA (and probably the rest of the USA) by January 2006 if you have NOT BUILT YOUR CUSTOM BIKE BEFORE THIS you may only get one chance in your lifetime and you may only get to build one. And it will have to be the way the government wants it to look and run and maybe not how you want it to look and run. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT BUILDING YOUR OWN BIKE OR YOUR DREAM BIKE, YOU'D BETTER BUY RIGHT NOW! REMEMBER, WHATEVER YOU BUILD AND GET REGISTERED NOW WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND WON'T COUNT AS YOUR ONE CUSTOM.
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That's it I'm selling the Harley and taking up basket weaving.
the aftermarket is HUGE. Does Harley have THAT much influence?
This is great. Let's kill off one of the prospering American industries so MORE people can barely afford to eat.
This is great. Let's kill off one of the prospering American industries so MORE people can barely afford to eat.
As I understand, you can customize as many bikes as you want to as lon as manu date is pre-2004. Provided there is a legitimate title for it in existence. Retitles will fall under the new rule sort of. Key point - Buy a bike without a title? - Bring it back to inspectable condition as in the manufacture date, have it retitled as its manu'd year, then customize it. If you customize it before retitle, it will be retitled as that year and could fall under that laws jurisdiction. If you want to buy a crate package, then you might have to learn the fine art of finagling around.aj650 said:i'm not sure, my ride got totalled under a side of dino ribs...
but i'd imagine it's the same deal.
I'm not 100% on the rules, my ultra-ADD kicks in when I read, any clarification is welcome.
Hey just wait till the 2008 Harley's come out. Plan is no standard fasteners used on bikes. No hex heads, no allen heads, slotted, torx, nothing. Everything requires special Harley tools.Django said:the aftermarket is HUGE. Does Harley have THAT much influence?
This is great. Let's kill off one of the prospering American industries so MORE people can barely afford to eat.
Corporations have more power than governments. Don't think its true - ask someone fired for smoking in their own home. No money, no rights. Corporate Global Economy is the New World Order. Think its a good idea - third world countries will cease to exist and become oversized company towns. What could have been a good idea, can never be now.BigDdy31 said:And yet people still have the balls to scoff when I remind them that corporations are trying to take over the world and succeeding. Remember fellas, revolutions aren't just for engines.
They did with Flattrack racing!!!! In the late 80's early 90's, the Hondas were killing them. Harley got themselves into it, and made "RULES" that once again put Honda's down, then Honda bailed and its dominated by Harleys again.Django said:Does Harley have THAT much influence?
I can imagine whats really going on nowadays.....
-Jason
I've been fighting this rampant mega-corporate consumerism bullshit for years. It all exists because the masses want cheap shit that's easy to get, use and throw away. If the majority didn't want it, none of it would exist.
Hot rods and handbuilt bikes make up a micro fraction of the petroleum based emitters world wide. It makes NO sense to dis-courage ANY kind of motorcycle as transportation. Even a leaky old EL takes up a 1/4 of the space on a hiway and gets better mileage than nearly all the cars to boot.
Why do lawmakers always go after this tiny fraction of the population when there are giant fish to fry? Could it be because we stand out? Do we set the pace and direction for the country by existing? Let's face it, anything original is only executed by a small number of people. What we do gets assimilated, smoothed over and relentlessly copied by corporations every minute. Then they sell it cheap to the nice folks mentioned above. Every herd needs a cowboy. Control him and you've got yourself a fiiiiiine bunch o' bovines. Or, maybe they just hate us 'cause we got all the pussy in high school.
I just don't get it. Well, I DO "get it"...I just wish it wasn't true.
Stay alert stay alive...citizen.
Hot rods and handbuilt bikes make up a micro fraction of the petroleum based emitters world wide. It makes NO sense to dis-courage ANY kind of motorcycle as transportation. Even a leaky old EL takes up a 1/4 of the space on a hiway and gets better mileage than nearly all the cars to boot.
Why do lawmakers always go after this tiny fraction of the population when there are giant fish to fry? Could it be because we stand out? Do we set the pace and direction for the country by existing? Let's face it, anything original is only executed by a small number of people. What we do gets assimilated, smoothed over and relentlessly copied by corporations every minute. Then they sell it cheap to the nice folks mentioned above. Every herd needs a cowboy. Control him and you've got yourself a fiiiiiine bunch o' bovines. Or, maybe they just hate us 'cause we got all the pussy in high school.
I just don't get it. Well, I DO "get it"...I just wish it wasn't true.
Stay alert stay alive...citizen.
I say we cut Cali OFF!!! thats right they are nothing but trouble and YES it all starts there. you west coast dudes have been bragging for ever about how it all started in cali....well now youve gone and done it....Lets get the jackhammers out and finally do what should have been done forever ago...CUT THEM OFF!!
HAHAHHAAHAHAHH
HAHAHHAAHAHAHH
the sovereign island state of California . the lunatics would finaly be in charge of the assylum for reals .
You know, fastsporty has been after me to move to Cali ever since he moved there. He's relentless in his pursuit. But the more and more of this type crap that I find out about here and there makes me glad I'm staying here, cold winters or not. I think I'll just continue to visit.
Absolutely.Or, maybe they just hate us 'cause we got all the pussy in high school.
"This stupid country"
---Mayor Quimby
---Mayor Quimby
I remember back in the 60'S we................................what was I saying?
I'm beginning to think the gov't isn't a very good friend.
I guess it's time to scoop up ALL the matching frames, cases, and titles I can find.
I guess it's time to scoop up ALL the matching frames, cases, and titles I can find.
It's an EPA-driven thing. While it's obvious who's lobbying behind it, it does revolve around emissions. By 2008 I believe, all new motorcycles must be fuel-injected. One thing not mentioned is how they (EPA) have already started coming down hard on "certain" chopper mfg's in CA and put the hammer down for building and selling bikes with non-compliant emissions equipment. As for that particular legislation, if you read it very carefully, what it is limiting is the amount of Special Construction bikes being built by the private citizen. Has nothing to do with existing motorcycles. However, you take a Paughco frame, any engine and trans, put everything together...guess what? You have your One SC bike. This is where clever registering will come into play. It can still be done with the hot rods, it will still be possible with motorcycles.
You're kidding, right? Like Witworth, only Harley? thats just down right rediculous. It'll kill the bolton market on new bikes.ol_scratch said:Hey just wait till the 2008 Harley's come out. Plan is no standard fasteners used on bikes. No hex heads, no allen heads, slotted, torx, nothing. Everything requires special Harley tools.
THE GOVERNMENT is the biggest gang in town!!!!
I'd rather move to Mexico than Cali.Django said:You know, fastsporty has been after me to move to Cali ever since he moved there. He's relentless in his pursuit. But the more and more of this type crap that I find out about here and there makes me glad I'm staying here, cold winters or not. I think I'll just continue to visit.
Absolutely.
Only difference was Whitworth wasn't really a single corporate driven move, it was an industry standard. But no I'm not kidding. What it will do is require any bolt-on company who wants to continue supporting HD, to register for license to use the the special fasteners. Then any bolt on stuff will have to go thru a HD dealer. Of course, you could make home made tools to work with. But that could be a tantamount undertaking.Bugman said:You're kidding, right? Like Witworth, only Harley? thats just down right rediculous. It'll kill the bolton market on new bikes.
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