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there will be a lot more people running unregistered bikes...just grabbing a plate off of whatever else you got and taking your chances
 

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the aftermarket is HUGE. Does Harley have THAT much influence?

This is great. Let's kill off one of the prospering American industries so MORE people can barely afford to eat.
 

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aj650 said:
i'm not sure, my ride got totalled under a side of dino ribs...
but i'd imagine it's the same deal.

I'm not 100% on the rules, my ultra-ADD kicks in when I read, any clarification is welcome.
As I understand, you can customize as many bikes as you want to as lon as manu date is pre-2004. Provided there is a legitimate title for it in existence. Retitles will fall under the new rule sort of. Key point - Buy a bike without a title? - Bring it back to inspectable condition as in the manufacture date, have it retitled as its manu'd year, then customize it. If you customize it before retitle, it will be retitled as that year and could fall under that laws jurisdiction. If you want to buy a crate package, then you might have to learn the fine art of finagling around.
 

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Django said:
the aftermarket is HUGE. Does Harley have THAT much influence?

This is great. Let's kill off one of the prospering American industries so MORE people can barely afford to eat.
Hey just wait till the 2008 Harley's come out. Plan is no standard fasteners used on bikes. No hex heads, no allen heads, slotted, torx, nothing. Everything requires special Harley tools.
 

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And yet people still have the balls to scoff when I remind them that corporations are trying to take over the world and succeeding. Remember fellas, revolutions aren't just for engines. ;)
Corporations have more power than governments. Don't think its true - ask someone fired for smoking in their own home. No money, no rights. Corporate Global Economy is the New World Order. Think its a good idea - third world countries will cease to exist and become oversized company towns. What could have been a good idea, can never be now.
 

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Django said:
Does Harley have THAT much influence?
They did with Flattrack racing!!!! In the late 80's early 90's, the Hondas were killing them. Harley got themselves into it, and made "RULES" that once again put Honda's down, then Honda bailed and its dominated by Harleys again.

I can imagine whats really going on nowadays.....

-Jason
 

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I've been fighting this rampant mega-corporate consumerism bullshit for years. It all exists because the masses want cheap shit that's easy to get, use and throw away. If the majority didn't want it, none of it would exist.

Hot rods and handbuilt bikes make up a micro fraction of the petroleum based emitters world wide. It makes NO sense to dis-courage ANY kind of motorcycle as transportation. Even a leaky old EL takes up a 1/4 of the space on a hiway and gets better mileage than nearly all the cars to boot.


Why do lawmakers always go after this tiny fraction of the population when there are giant fish to fry? Could it be because we stand out? Do we set the pace and direction for the country by existing? Let's face it, anything original is only executed by a small number of people. What we do gets assimilated, smoothed over and relentlessly copied by corporations every minute. Then they sell it cheap to the nice folks mentioned above. Every herd needs a cowboy. Control him and you've got yourself a fiiiiiine bunch o' bovines. Or, maybe they just hate us 'cause we got all the pussy in high school.

I just don't get it. Well, I DO "get it"...I just wish it wasn't true.

Stay alert stay alive...citizen.
 

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I say we cut Cali OFF!!! thats right they are nothing but trouble and YES it all starts there. you west coast dudes have been bragging for ever about how it all started in cali....well now youve gone and done it....Lets get the jackhammers out and finally do what should have been done forever ago...CUT THEM OFF!!
HAHAHHAAHAHAHH
 

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You know, fastsporty has been after me to move to Cali ever since he moved there. He's relentless in his pursuit. But the more and more of this type crap that I find out about here and there makes me glad I'm staying here, cold winters or not. I think I'll just continue to visit.

Or, maybe they just hate us 'cause we got all the pussy in high school.
Absolutely.
 

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It's an EPA-driven thing. While it's obvious who's lobbying behind it, it does revolve around emissions. By 2008 I believe, all new motorcycles must be fuel-injected. One thing not mentioned is how they (EPA) have already started coming down hard on "certain" chopper mfg's in CA and put the hammer down for building and selling bikes with non-compliant emissions equipment. As for that particular legislation, if you read it very carefully, what it is limiting is the amount of Special Construction bikes being built by the private citizen. Has nothing to do with existing motorcycles. However, you take a Paughco frame, any engine and trans, put everything together...guess what? You have your One SC bike. This is where clever registering will come into play. It can still be done with the hot rods, it will still be possible with motorcycles.
 

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Hey just wait till the 2008 Harley's come out. Plan is no standard fasteners used on bikes. No hex heads, no allen heads, slotted, torx, nothing. Everything requires special Harley tools.
You're kidding, right? Like Witworth, only Harley? thats just down right rediculous. It'll kill the bolton market on new bikes.
 

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Django said:
You know, fastsporty has been after me to move to Cali ever since he moved there. He's relentless in his pursuit. But the more and more of this type crap that I find out about here and there makes me glad I'm staying here, cold winters or not. I think I'll just continue to visit.

Absolutely.
I'd rather move to Mexico than Cali.
 

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You're kidding, right? Like Witworth, only Harley? thats just down right rediculous. It'll kill the bolton market on new bikes.
Only difference was Whitworth wasn't really a single corporate driven move, it was an industry standard. But no I'm not kidding. What it will do is require any bolt-on company who wants to continue supporting HD, to register for license to use the the special fasteners. Then any bolt on stuff will have to go thru a HD dealer. Of course, you could make home made tools to work with. But that could be a tantamount undertaking.
 
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