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I know I'm not the only one who has had some question of "how do I title this bike?" or "should I buy this bike since it doesn't have a title?"... well there might be a solution for you...

I bought a 1960 Triumph awhile back. Absolutely NO paperwork with the exception of the Bill of Sale I got from the owner that was typed up in 30 seconds, had about a total of 20 words in it and was signed by him, myself, and my buddy as a witness.

Here's what I did and maybe this post will help someone who is thinking of or is going through the process of getting a title.

First: I checked to make sure that the numbers were clean with the San Diego PD and also Ponch and John with the CHiP office. No record of stolen property or stolen vehicles came up under those numbers. Records do fall out of the system after "X" amount of years of inactivity also. I suspect that was the case here. Simply no longer in the system. Deal seamed clean and reasonable so I purchased it.

Second: Built the bike up to running condition. I probably should have done this after I knew I was going to be able to get a title. I guess I just got excited!!

Third: I called International Title Service. They sent me a packet of information. You can see the same documents on their website. http://www.its-titles.com/ I think... For $75 they register the bike in another state that doesn't require a title to register for certain vehicles before 1981 (I think that was the year). In my case it was Alabama. They sold the bike back to me for the amount that I specified with an official BOS, the registration from Alabama, and a letter from a Judge in Alabama explaining why there is no Title and only a registration slip. Done deal. I could have used Broadway Title also, but they were too slow getting back to me and weren't very helpful. I've heard good about both though.

Fourth: Got my insurance to cover the bike. I got full coverage because of the theft rate here, but simple liability was enough.

Last: The evil DMV experience. I was required to get a VIN inpsection. I could have had it done by local Police or Highway Patrol. I just went to the DMV inpsection. The guys were cool and more interested in what it was than where the numbers were. They only checked to see that the numbers matched my BOS and previous registration. Once they signed off the paper and checked out my paperwork I was able to go inside and stand in the line that seemed 4-miles long. Once at the front, I presented my proof of insurance, BOS, previous registration, letter from the Alabama Judge, and my VIN inspection paper. This was enough for them to make up "statement of fact" (whatever the hell that is) and that allowed me to apply for a lost or duplicate title. They filled out the paperwork and I just signed. They are sending me the title in the mail, I payed my registration fees and walked out with a license plate, tag sticker and the freedom to ride wherever the hell I want to yet still avoiding cops like the plague because of no mufflers, mirrors, front fender, speed-o, horn, etc. etc...

Glad it's over!! I hope this post can help someone. Maybe someone can move it to the TECH section after all has had a chance to see it.

BTW... this was in Nevada. I don't know if this process will work in every state.
 

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been there, glad to hear you got em. getting tags on a bike that has less than perfect papers is always a pain in the ass but when you finally get the tags its like F-R-E-E-D-O-M!! (in my best braveheart yell)<IN yell braveheart best my>
 

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Thanks man, I got 2 bikes that have no title or bill of sale. One a neighbor wanted me to hold on to because his wife booted him out. And I never seen him again. And one I traded porn for. Not really sure what we would have put on the bill or sale for that one. :D
 

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Yeah, I'm glad too!!! I was stressed that after all that work I would have problems or something unplanned would pop up. I checked those numbers out with Cali twice, and again with the NVHP, NVDMV, and Vegas Metro!! The guy I bought it from didn't know much about it and that made me a little nervous!! It was the best feeling in the world to take a ride without looking for cops at every corner! That's bad news in Vegas if you get pulled over witout the paperwork and insurance!
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been there, glad to hear you got em. getting tags on a bike that has less than perfect papers is always a pain in the ass but when you finally get the tags its like F-R-E-E-D-O-M!! (in my best braveheart yell)<IN my best braveheart yell>
 

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Find a friend in Alabama or Maine. Those are the two states title agencies operate through and are the least demanding when it comes to documentation (none at all, really). I have a friend in my neighboring state, NH, who has helped me register undocumented stuff in the past. You can register anything old with just a bill of sale there, except you need a VIN inspection (which is why title companies don't work from NH). My friend then sells the bike back to me with his registration as proof of ownership. The Massachusetts DMV has to accept the NH registration as proof of ownership because NH doesn't title stuff over 10 years old.

Registering stuff in Massachusetts is impossible if you follow the rules. I sent the DMV an e-mail asking how I can register a collection-of unrelated parts '41 WLD and follow the rules of the State. I figured that there MUST be a legitimate way of doing this and not forking over $$ to the title agency. I mean, I can't be the only one in this situation. The DMV response? You can't, unless you have some state-issued proof of ownership from the seller (registration or title). Unfortunately, states like mine with irrational rules keep title agencies in business.

Guys like me with problems like these are not high on the priority lists of elected officials.
 

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I second ITS. I've used them for 2 cars, adn another friend for 1. worked great. alot cheaper and less hassle than trying to bonde for a title through the state.

Gary
 

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That's awesome. Now, all I need is a tech post on how to title your bike in NEW JERSEY!

I've heard through the grapevine that NJ will no longer accept the info that a title company has provided. I think nowadays you need to have a friend or family memeber in another state go through all the bullshit for you with their local dmv and the title company... get an actual title... then go to the NJ DMV and act like you just bought it. Haven't tried it yet though. Maybe someone else on the list has???
 

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Wow for once my state isn't as f*cked up as other states. In Washington all you do is go down to the DMV and file for a lost title. You send a certifide letter to the last registered owner with a release of ownership form, either the person fills out the form and returns it(the best thing to happen) or it gets returned and you take that back to the DMV and you gat a temporary title for three years and a permenant one after that if no one claims the bike as theirs. I'm glad we don't have to mess around with title companies and such.
 

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And one I traded porn for. Not really sure what we would have put on the bill or sale for that one. :D
as funny as that sounds i wouldnt suggest it. last year i traded a classic car for another straight up. the guy filled out and signed the title and everything was legal, but he left the $ amount empty(like most guys will so you can fill in as much or as little as you like). well... when i was younger i remember filling that out for 1 dollar but it wouldnt matter they had to charge you the minimum tax. that was tax on 100 bucks. i figured if i explained that it was a trade kinda like if someone gives you a car/bike they would just charge me the minimun and like would be good. not even close. the lady wanted me to get the owner to fill in the blank and write a letter saying he sold it to me. i filled in the blank for 100 clams and went back a week later and wouldnt ya know the same lady was my teller. she remembered me and would not let me title this car. now id waited in line twice (3 1/2 hours each). i was pissed and drove to another DMV about an hour away in the country. the line thwere was non-existant and the teller didnt look twice and i was outta there in 10 minutes with a clean title.
i've never titled a moter-sickle, but i have 2 i need to, and one is from outta state, so that should be fun. my suggestion is to try a DMV out in the sticks where the folks are a little more laid back and not so suspicious of everything.
..just a thought.

later gators.
 
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