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Old 03-03-2011, 06:46 PM   #1
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Changed this up so others can put there Springer ID questions here so the board doesn't get clogged with multiple threads.

Just purchased this springer, it's en route to me so this is the only pic i have for now til it comes next week. Looking for any help identifying it. Looks similar to a Sugar Bear (rockers and trees) but the front legs and spuds look different.



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Old 03-04-2011, 11:30 AM   #2
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Morning guys any help?
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:38 AM   #3
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I can't help on the make, but it definitely looks to have been shortened.

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Old 03-04-2011, 12:02 PM   #4
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These springer ID threads need to be placed into one thread, there seems to be a new one every other day.

First off, in order to ID a springer from a pic, you need several pics at different angles. Some are obvious, but a single overhead pic renders alot of guess work, resulting in a "guess" for a reply instead of a positive ID.

Also you have to realize that a springer made in the 70's has had who knows how many owners that have cut, hacked, shortened, legthened re-chromed, changed rods, springs, rockers, legs and everything else in-between. And..... there were a ton of guys that made there own in there garage, or made a few of the same design that they didn't "market" in the mainstream.

Bottom line, post as many pics as possible of a springer if you need an ID. I'm not picking on one individual, just a thought from several of the "Springer ID" help threads that constantly pop-up.

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Old 03-04-2011, 01:23 PM   #5
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Sorry for starting another i checked to see if there was a consolidated thread but couldn't find one. Either way i apologize. I got the springer in heres some more detailed photos, also a serial number stamped in the lower tree 011348024.

Its definitely been hacked on i think the front legs were replaced the welds are much worse on them and i agree its been shortened.











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Old 03-04-2011, 02:57 PM   #6
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Well i emailed TEACH and he got in contact with Sugar Bear its definitely not one of his, someone took his rockers but the rest is a copy and not a great one. Still puzzled by the serial number though and who made it originally.
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I could never understand why when people hack up forks they almost always make the ends so short and stubby ?? like right in the stress area no less.. hell do the splice up high ,,you can maybe even hide it under the tree
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Well i emailed TEACH and he got in contact with Sugar Bear its definitely not one of his, someone took his rockers but the rest is a copy and not a great one...
Man, this must have been quite an insult to Sugar Bear asking if this was one of his springers...
What makes it worse is that they even used his (Or Dick Allen's) rockers on this welded together thing...
Whoever made it originally, be carefull using this front end on the street..
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:08 PM   #9
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hey Inkmunky. You should modify the title to make this the designated springer I.D. thread. That way we don't clutter up the board with this stuff like sixball said.

I've got a springer i want ID'd but didn't want to start a whole new thread just for that. If there's a thread for it, I won't feel bad at all.
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Old 03-05-2011, 01:43 PM   #10
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Danny F he wasnt offended by asking but TEACH forwarded this onto sugar bear and he was offended its his rockers so im gonna send them back to him and rectify the mistake of the previous person. Ill see if i can change the title.
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When TEACH emailed, he asked me if I could identify the springer (not if it was mine) and I told him I couldn't, but those were my rockers. I stated that this situation is the reason I don't sell parts to my springers, because people will sometimes say it's a Sugar Bear springer and try to sell them as such. I have no idea how the rockers got to this springer, I'm not offended that I was asked, only that my rockers wound up on this ............... (smile, and fill in the blank). Danny, I also recommended to him not to use it .... looks too shakey.
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The springer definitely wont be run as is. The rockers will be returned to Sugar Bear it just seems like the right thing to do. If i even keep it it will need a complete overhaul and rebuild and wont even resemble its current state. Bought it sight unseen it wasnt advertised as a Sugar Bear so maybe thats some consolation to Bear, im out the money i paid but its a gamble with these old parts. I just noticed the rockers and wanted some more info on it.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:13 PM   #13
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Hawtpocket there you go finally found some time today so guess now we can keep this all together.
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"Fury"
..rockers are homemade (and scary..)
And spring rods are bolted on the bottom to the perch..I guess that was done afterwards..
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Unfortunately at AEE we sold our rockers, both the fishtail and crescent, and I have seen them on all kinds of POS.

Sugar Bear is right not to sell them separate. Also a whole lot of the old springers I see show up on here weren't worth a damn 40 years ago let alone now. Be very careful what you tie in to.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:42 PM   #17
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Heres some pics and numbers If anyone can help with who built them. Numbers are 0333 follow by the p inside a diamond shape as then numbers 02-472.Thanks to everone.Peace.
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great pics
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Hardtime - like Danny F. said - it's a Fury. Looks like the rockers are (dangerously) modified originals - front and back has been ground down, a bit too far.

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Old 03-09-2011, 07:29 PM   #20
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Here's what Fury rockers look like. Also someone's drilled holes in your top tree to mount Harley bars, instead of using the integral mounts, and the bushes in the legs will need replacing - I think they're 5/8 x 3/4 x 3/8, and 1/2 x 5/8 x 3/8 inch (O.D, I.D and width) oil impregnated brass or bronze, I forget which.



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Old 03-19-2011, 02:42 AM   #21
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Well this is handy...Thinking D&D or Paughco. No marks other than the serial number. Anybody know what I got?







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Old 03-19-2011, 03:24 AM   #22
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D&D always pretty easy to spot, i have only seen the rear legs like that on the D&D springers
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Only Jammer (not Paughco) offered the twisted front legs on the D&D springers..
So it's a Jammer you have there..
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:32 PM   #24
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Ive seen lots them rockers before if you follow ebay springer site you see what I mean,Any one with skill could have twisted them legs,Ill try to get over to fryn pans and check one hes got them same rockers and twisty legs.Peace
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OK....Lets try this here. Any idea what this springer is?
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A couple close ups....
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southernfried, I'm not an expert by no means but by the simplicity of that springer it is highly possible it's a home brew.
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Southernfried homebrew,Like Link-Belt I agree,Their is some parts that look to from a couple different builders,Rockers may have been Amen but looks like tip or end was ground off,or was refabed simalair to that,and then the rocker nuts look like there from AEE,and top triple tree new refab job,legs new refab or clean butchered old stock.Hope pics help.
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Southernfried ah one more pic ah look at rocker made mistake ti last mess about rocker style check it out.Peace
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Thanks for the replys. I'm trying to decide which way I'm going to go with this project. Not sure I'm going to stay with a long fork.
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Directed to this thread with my identification issue-thanks in advance for your shared knowledge and time-specs are below-sorry for duplicating this mess somewhere else!!

Justen

Take a look at the pics- The measurements are below-they should be easy enough to understand.

3 3/4" between front fork legs where welded to bottom of lower spring perch.

2 3/16" center to center of spring rods

Front legs are 40 3/16" very top to bottom pivot center

Rear legs are 40" from bottom of lower tree to center of rocker pivot

Rear leg is 7 11/16" from top of bottom tree to very top of rear leg/top of upper tree clamp area.

Space between middle spring perch/support and top of lower tree is 4 3/4"

Upper tree is 1/2" steel-the stem hole is 1 1/8" in the top tree.

Lower tree is 1/2" steel-stem hole is is 7/8" in the lower tree.

Riser centers are approx 2" on center

Rear legs have approx 4 1/8" between centers

Front legs are 3/4" diameter; Rears are 1 1/4" diameter

Front and rear rocker pivots is 2 1/2"

Approx 5 5/8" between inside faces of rockers at even spread top to bottom (this axle is really to short.

(this springer is only wide enough to fit a 1.6" or 1.85" rim. The one in the pics is 18x1.6"...............I threw a 21x1.6 to check it out-the tire is the key!!!
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I could never understand why when people hack up forks they almost always make the ends so short and stubby ?? like right in the stress area no less.. hell do the splice up high ,,you can maybe even hide it under the tree
It's about physics. The higher up from the rocker pivot you place the weld, the greater the bending moment on the weld. Keeping the weld as close to the axle as possible minimizes the effect. Imagine the axle pushing back on the weld directly when right above the rocker pivot, as opposed to using leverage to break it when it's up nearer to the tree. The further from the bottom, the greater the leverage.

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Not sure but I do like it.Peace.
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It's about physics. The higher up from the rocker pivot you place the weld, the greater the bending moment on the weld. Keeping the weld as close to the axle as possible minimizes the effect. Imagine the axle pushing back on the weld directly when right above the rocker pivot, as opposed to using leverage to break it when it's up nearer to the tree. The further from the bottom, the greater the leverage.

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Thanks for the info,,was not aware of that
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no numbers no name. Any idea?
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:35 PM   #36
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I recently seen a Dislong Springer on Ebay is gone now. It had simailar look 2 yours but total different rockers.need more pics of triple trees and around spring area.Ill keep my eye open if I can figure it out another one more down hundereds 2go.Peace Brother.
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Have Garage Find Springer? Was Custom Made by Someone? No Markings or Numbers. Any Ideas. Came from Estate sale Ossining,NY.Included in this sweet deal Chrome Frame with the name(HARRY) stamped on back bone.No I didn't get that information,only some cool parts. I did hear that this guy was a Master Artist of ?? unknown of what he did ? Any information is good Brothers.Peace
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Not a bad deal for the price. Springer looks homemade to me, although similar to paughco.

Did you find out anything about the other bikes she had for sale?
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I think that bike came from the same place that Sprglde talked about in the hoards thread here:

https://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/s...ghlight=hoards
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New here and looking forward to learning as much as I can. Here's my springer. Picked it up for a bill. Not sure if I'm ever gonna get around to using it but would like to know what it is. I've searched and haven't seen another like it.





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Southernfried, I have that same springer, but with twisted front legs, and longer. The rockers are the same, top tree is the same, springs, and the spring shafts are the same... Never been able to figure out what it was, but I doubt it is a homebrew. If I can get some pics I will post em.
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So quick question. If the rear legs are round on the outside and flat on the inside it's a D&D/Paughco???
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Ok here is one for everybody - no markes, numbers or any sort of ID on it that I can find.
The mounting of the rockers is different than anything else I have been able to find...
I was told that this came off an old Honda Chopper...




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Can someone ID this springer for me? Sorry this is the only two pictures I currently have.
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Hmmm, wonder if this is special?



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just going by the rockers.
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This is more like missing people thread. Asking with no reply
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LOL! I agree.
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Thanks bud! Looks like it might be kinda special, not sure it is $300 worth of special though!
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ob1 .... Randy springer .... long gone
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Thanks SB! I decided to pass on it, but handed it off to a buddy with a sweet lil Triumph bobber it would look pretty sweet on!
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Need some help!! ID











No idea, No markings, looks well built (I think). 1-1/8" stem square front legs. Narrow as all get out. Also, can anybody fill me in on how the top clamp would have looked? Thanks
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Looks similar to a Fury, but with modified rockers, and square front legs.

See Hardtime's pics earlier in this thread for how the top clamp looks.
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Carbineken...that's a Butts Mfg springer. A quick search will bring up a couple more threads with Butts springers.
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Looks similar to a Fury, but with modified rockers, and square front legs.

See Hardtime's pics earlier in this thread for how the top clamp looks.
yeah I agree the rockers look fury, but the end of the legs are different as well as the front legs being square. I think the legs are solid? what does a 1-1/8 stem come from?
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what does a 1-1/8 stem come from?
Harley VL for one.

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I remember El Shanebo posting one like this a while back but I don't think it was ever ID'd. So here's another shot. It has a 1" stem, a 17mm axle that looks like it's from a Kawasaki KZ, and rockers that look like Harley with different front sections welded on. I was told it was off an VW trike and came with what looked like a KZ wheel.







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Speed yours looks like an old Amen. S.I.E also made a similar one



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Any idea on this ?

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Looks like a Defiance Cycle girder.
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Speed yours looks like an old Amen. S.I.E also made a similar one



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Thanks, That's a good page. The rockers look similar to the Amen although I can't tell if they're are a single plate or if they have the large bushings with grease fittings. Also the trees look different, and mine are pretty distinctive.

And I had one of those Defiance girders a while back. Weird stuff.
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Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with my newest purchase for my ironhead build. I know its a early Harley springer but i can seem to figure out a round-about date for it... also im having trouble finding re-build parts for it. (esp the rockers and top tree)

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Carbineken...that's a Butts Mfg springer. A quick search will bring up a couple more threads with Butts springers.
Thanks calgbob! I'll look those up.
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Matt you can get any parts you need for this from your friendly V-Twin dealer. They are also online at V-Twin.com I think.
Measuring the stem will tell you what it was for. Big Twins had a 1" stem. If it is a big twin it may be very valuable to a restorer as it still has the fender tabs and other brackets. Maybe selling it and buying a V-Twin repro and all the parts needed plus money left other would also an idea to consider.


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Thanks and heres the pics:













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Matt you can get any parts you need for this from your friendly V-Twin dealer. They are also online at V-Twin.com I think.
Measuring the stem will tell you what it was for. Big Twins had a 1" stem. If it is a big twin it may be very valuable to a restorer as it still has the fender tabs and other brackets. Maybe selling it and buying a V-Twin repro and all the parts needed plus money left other would also an idea to consider.

It has a 1 inch stem.. I think the top tree im looking for is considered a "inline clamp"... atleast thats what it looks like.
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It has a 1 inch stem.. I think the top tree im looking for is considered a "inline clamp"... atleast thats what it looks like.
The stock setup has the handlebars as one piece with the top clamp. You can buy an inline clamp or one that has ears on the side for Flanders type risers depending on what you want to do.
I would suggest you look at pictures of bikes with springers to see what you want to do and then buy the top clamp you need.
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would like to know made this one.i hope pics are good enough.


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The stock setup has the handlebars as one piece with the top clamp. You can buy an inline clamp or one that has ears on the side for Flanders type risers depending on what you want to do.
I would suggest you look at pictures of bikes with springers to see what you want to do and then buy the top clamp you need.

I want my bars/clamp like this:

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Matt - the bike in the picture uses a custom made setup. It looks like they used an old Custom Cycle Engineering top clamp and someone attached the handlebars to it. CCE clamps had a unique round design and I think that's what I am seeing here.
The other thing I noticed is that in order to get the bars low they eliminated the standard Harley "Sprocket Nut" that was used to set the preload on the bearings and was then locked in Place by a pin on the stock clamp.
Anyway to get that look you have to find either a CCE clamp, an old Flanders clamp or a stock handlebar setup to use for the clamp part. The current reproduction Flanders clamp is made from a lousy cast iron and I would not recommend trying to braze something to it.
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Can someone ID this springer for me? Sorry this is the only two pictures I currently have.
maybe dna?
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Matt - the bike in the picture uses a custom made setup. It looks like they used an old Custom Cycle Engineering top clamp and someone attached the handlebars to it. CCE clamps had a unique round design and I think that's what I am seeing here.
The other thing I noticed is that in order to get the bars low they eliminated the standard Harley "Sprocket Nut" that was used to set the preload on the bearings and was then locked in Place by a pin on the stock clamp.
Anyway to get that look you have to find either a CCE clamp, an old Flanders clamp or a stock handlebar setup to use for the clamp part. The current reproduction Flanders clamp is made from a lousy cast iron and I would not recommend trying to braze something to it.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the help... i cent seem to find the CCE clamps for the 45" anywhere.. I was thinking of like a paughco dog bone style and then i would just weld 1 inch extension bars off of the "legs" of the clamp
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Matt, maybe this will work for ya.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Inlin...item20ba2a86e5
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It looks like a 10" over stock SIE I had (which bent and cracked), but the rockers don't look like the original SIE rockers.
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Girder ID, top is a lil different than most.
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Scavenger, can we get a pic of the bike in the upper right of your girder pic. Is that a 23" rim? It looks fascinating.
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Old 07-17-2011, 06:20 PM   #77
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Looks like a P+P square duo-rail girder.
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This a paughco or ?

Just got it and trying to make sure , not that it really matters but curiousity and all that.

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This an AEE springer ?
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from what I can see I'd say no on AEE. Top plate isnt right.
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Can anyone take a guess at the make of this springer. The information contained in the ad are below. Asking price is $1200 firm. I have no idea if this is truly an 70's era springer or something made recently over seas. Any help would be appreciated, they are not often seen here. I have used the search function and to me it looks like it might be a Fury, but, I am not really sure. If it is confirmed to be a origional vintage springer in mint condidtion, is the price reasonable?


This beautiful springer comes with 18 inches chrome front wheel, with two rectangular lights.My brother bought it in USA 1970, was kept in the house for over 40 years.Was installed on a BSA 650 Lighting chopper but was never driven,like new, good chrome, fit British,Harleys
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1.Dimension; 1 inch square,front legs appro,36 inches long from button of the triple to the axle,back legs approx.40 inches long.
2.Main springs are approx.6 inches long.
3.Rebound springs are approx. 5 inches long.
4.Overall lenght approx. 48 inches long from the top spring to the axle hole.
5.Wheel 2.75x18 inches.Tire-Yokohama
6. ARIS lights x 2
The price is firm.


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hard to tell from pic's....looks like aEE and so does the spool. Bracket and lights too. Again pictures too small to confirm. Got more?
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I will make them larger. Give me two minutes. I can get this today for $900 so I really want to be sure.
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Same pictures a little larger. Can't see anything on the top.
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Girder ID anyone?







Could it be Ness?

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Any idea on this ?

thought it was one of these, but it looks like your legs are cut from one peice or something
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I am seriously considering getting a springer front end to put on my bike at the end of this riding season. I have zero experience with them, but I have always loved the way they look. I am debating between a girder or a springer. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? How can I figure out what size I need? I like the way my bike sits and dont want to change it.
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thought it was one of these, but it looks like your legs are cut from one peice or something
83shuvluv the one your holding looks like a Defiance cycle girder, the one the chick is holding looks like a P&P
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This a paughco or ?

Just got it and trying to make sure , not that it really matters but curiousity and all that.

Hey 83shuvluv, Check back on pg.#2... post #21 you may find some info that helpful to ya on that springer...Looks like it might be a D&D piece
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I found this listed as a VL, but I have not seen the rear legs on the neck bolt mount this thick or "filled in" as opposed to the other vintage or re-pop VL's....

Can one of yall help please!!!



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Hey Jake- Definitely not a VL springer. Looks to be an extended inline springer. Hard to tell since there isn't a clear shot of the neck stem, but if the stem is 7/8" its an extended 45 flathead springer, if the stem is 1" its off of a big twin. VL springers had an I-beam style rear leg, not the oval round stock rear legs like this one you've posted. Hope that helps!
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I think its a 1 inch neck stem... Can this be safely changed to fit my Paughco wishbone frame??

Can it be changed back to stock length fairly easy and safely??

is it a harley and what years or close to?

I just want to know what Im buying and for the price I dont want to pass it up...
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Jake - There is no problem putting that springer on your Paughco frame. If it is a 1" stem it will bolt right on using factory parts. If it is 7/8" V-Twin sells a kit that adapts it and you can even convert to Taper roller bearings like any new Harley.
Make sure you get the rockers with the front end and any other parts. A pair of rockers can set you back $150....
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Thanks Von! For the price Im getting it for, the neck cups (provided its not a 1 inch stem) and rockers would get me in the area of a DNA springer!!

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Jake - There is no problem putting that springer on your Paughco frame. If it is a 1" stem it will bolt right on using factory parts. If it is 7/8" V-Twin sells a kit that adapts it and you can even convert to Taper roller bearings like any new Harley.
Make sure you get the rockers with the front end and any other parts. A pair of rockers can set you back $150....
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I picked up these yesterday. Definitely interesting. The springer rockers look like Smith Bros and Fetrow (?) or possible California springers? The rear legs are super beefy with a sliding lower tree held in place with pinch bolts, and the lowers span either side of the rockers. And check out the Taj Mahal nuts!

The girder is missing the stem and spring but looks like a Defiance Cycle or EME but with twisted legs. Any ideas?











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Can someone ID this springer for me? Sorry this is the only two pictures I currently have.
Can anyone tell what this is I have one that looks like it also....dna stamps there this has no stamps..
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SpeedandNoise...I know this one b/c I have that exact same springer with the same rockers and nuts. It's made by Butts Manufacturing. A search for Butts should turn up a couple more threads bout them.
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83shuvluv the one your holding looks like a Defiance cycle girder, the one the chick is holding looks like a P&P
I was just looking through a Oct '72 issue of Custom Chopper, and there's an ad for a Defiance girder. It is similar to the one 83shuvluv has but the horizontal supports are thinner and the axle mount is at the very end of the girder...maybe a different model? either way its pretty cool!
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I picked up these yesterday. Definitely interesting. The springer rockers look like Smith Bros and Fetrow (?) or possible California springers? The rear legs are super beefy with a sliding lower tree held in place with pinch bolts, and the lowers span either side of the rockers. And check out the Taj Mahal nuts!

The girder is missing the stem and spring but looks like a Defiance Cycle or EME but with twisted legs. Any ideas?


If I remember correctly it was a Kit,,that let you convert your stock front end to a Springer, have seen a few
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anybody id this?

That is a drop dead gorgeous panhead!

Do i win a prize?
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SpeedandNoise...I know this one b/c I have that exact same springer with the same rockers and nuts. It's made by Butts Manufacturing. A search for Butts should turn up a couple more threads bout them.
Thanks, I didn't realize that there is on in post #40 of this thread.

And Scavenger, I've seen some kits for use with stock trees where the springs were at the bottom of each leg just above the rockers. This looks like it might use some type of fork tubes for the rear legs but even the trees look custom. The top nut isn't removable and the stem screws up from the bottom tree. The whole thing looks like it can be disassembled down to the legs. Even the rocker mounts look like they might screw off (I haven't tried).
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Thanks, I didn't realize that there is on in post #40 of this thread.

And Scavenger, I've seen some kits for use with stock trees where the springs were at the bottom of each leg just above the rockers. This looks like it might use some type of fork tubes for the rear legs but even the trees look custom. The top nut isn't removable and the stem screws up from the bottom tree. The whole thing looks like it can be disassembled down to the legs. Even the rocker mounts look like they might screw off (I haven't tried).
I've got one of those too. The entire thing can be broken down, the rocker mounts will screw off the legs. The top nut is loose from mine, was like that when I bought it but looks like its a press fit to the top clamp. Look through the my pics in this thread, its almost entirely apart.
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Nobody ever identified this springer? I have just like it any ideas?
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Directed to this thread with my identification issue-thanks in advance for your shared knowledge and time-specs are below-sorry for duplicating this mess somewhere else!!

Justen

Take a look at the pics- The measurements are below-they should be easy enough to understand.

3 3/4" between front fork legs where welded to bottom of lower spring perch.

2 3/16" center to center of spring rods

Front legs are 40 3/16" very top to bottom pivot center

Rear legs are 40" from bottom of lower tree to center of rocker pivot

Rear leg is 7 11/16" from top of bottom tree to very top of rear leg/top of upper tree clamp area.

Space between middle spring perch/support and top of lower tree is 4 3/4"

Upper tree is 1/2" steel-the stem hole is 1 1/8" in the top tree.

Lower tree is 1/2" steel-stem hole is is 7/8" in the lower tree.

Riser centers are approx 2" on center

Rear legs have approx 4 1/8" between centers

Front legs are 3/4" diameter; Rears are 1 1/4" diameter

Front and rear rocker pivots is 2 1/2"

Approx 5 5/8" between inside faces of rockers at even spread top to bottom (this axle is really to short.

(this springer is only wide enough to fit a 1.6" or 1.85" rim. The one in the pics is 18x1.6"...............I threw a 21x1.6 to check it out-the tire is the key!!!
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looks like butts mfg. Go back to post #95 and you'll see one very similar
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Thanks akchopper I think you're right.
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Anyone recognize this narrow springer. Its on chopped 54 Pan frame currently. It looks very well built and strong. Thanks, J.


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Looks like Fury rockers, and such. Look at post #20,
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Saw this advertised on a bike for sale on CL. I have never seen anything like it but i kinda dig it. Any ideas who made it? No response from the seller yet.

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picked up this springer and it looks alot like a devers wishbone, got some more pics if anyone has any ideas
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Saw this advertised on a bike for sale on CL. I have never seen anything like it but i kinda dig it. Any ideas who made it? No response from the seller yet.

pretty sure that came from IL by paul cox.its pretty pricey.i saw it on ebay a while back
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pretty sure that came from IL by paul cox.its pretty pricey.i saw it on ebay a while back
The current owner finally emailed me. He said "It was made by Keino of Keino cycles in new York .. Former employee of indian Larry "

http://www.keinocycles.com/index.php

All i know is it gives me wood.
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hey guys, do i have what i think is a fury springer. i know im missing the correct stem bolt, but i have no idea how to either get the damn thing over the rear legs and how to mount some bars to this thing. help!!




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Rockers look different to a Fury. But pretty similar springer. You're missing top tree and nut to attach stem.. and the risers screw in to back legs to attach bars.


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i have the top thing (it definitely isnt a clamp, solid block with 3 holes)

mu issue with the whole deal is i thought this was supposed to slide down over the rear legs. this wont (holes on the top plate are smaller and slightly off center it seems than the rear legs) at all.

i have a nut that can work, but heres issue #2....theres nothing for risers to screw into.... if you look in the bottom pic here, youll see the top of the legs. theres about a 1/4" lip inside about 1/2" down.


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Deadman, it looks like i have the same front end. The rockers are different, but the rest looks the same. It also looks like the top piece you have is not correct. Here are photos of my setup, not the best looking but it works and is safe.
The risers bolt onto the top piece and the bolt heads fit into the springer legs. Then the assembly is held down with the center nut, which fits down into the top piece and has a lip on top. My top piece has two holes that are to be ignored, they were there when I got it.
The two nuts under it hold the front end on the frame, allowing to bars and top to come off independently.
The only stamp I have on this is an E stamped on the back of the lower piece.




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how wide is the bolts on the headlight bracket? mines fucking 1" c2c
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On mine it's about 3/4".
They were seized in and a hole was drilled through the same piece (top to bottom) to mount a different bracket.
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you got any idea as how i can mount a dual headlight on there? or is there a ready made bracket?
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Guy I bought mine from thought it was a "Killer Bees" front end, but didn't know for sure. I honestly have no clue who made it. I have not seen any stamps or markings on it to identify it. Maybe some else here knows who makes/made it? It was 6" over. I had it cut down to standard length.











Pictures From the seller when I first bought it.













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Just picked this one up last night. Story goes it's a Ness, it came from an old east bay bike for sure. It's been shortened somewhere along the line and it's super narrow. Has a 7/8" neck stem. No stamps or anything, if anyone knows it's you guys. Thanx in advance.
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Anybody??Danny F??
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keino or indian larry legacy
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[QUOTE=CotJocky;763856]Guy I bought mine from thought it was a "Killer Bees" front end, but didn't know for sure. I honestly have no clue who made it. I have not seen any stamps or markings on it to identify it. Maybe some else here knows who makes/made it? It was 6" over. I had it cut down to standard length.



Looks like a vintage Ness/century springer, or a copy. Best looking springer ever in my opinion.

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^^^ That's most likely a Freddy Hernandez front end..
The bulkyness, the width and the Denver's style rockers gives it away..
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I have got a hold of some info about the fork. Looks like I have won the lottery twice. The fork is an 42 elc canadian knuckelhead, thats very rare. It is also extended with rear torsion from ford. It is the Ed Roth style from the 60s
If cut and extended ,,it's not rare anymore,,though you never know the original legs may still be under the extented part and uncut. All you have now is a old Modified HD springer

Neat piece though , like the molding
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hi,i'm trying to build my own springer front end
i was contemplating using rose joint's for the
bottom of the leg's,is this a good idea or proper
bolt's and bushing's.
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John this might be answered better as a direct question on the board,instead of buried in the I.D. thread.And when you say rose joint's do you mean strut mounts,like on a car? And welcome to the JJ
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anybody got any info on these california springers? got a line on one but dont want to spend too much on it. any info is appreciated.
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Could be a little more specific, there were a hell of a lot of different springers made in California. Are you talking about California Cycle Works? Pic would help.
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anybody got any info on these california springers? got a line on one but dont want to spend too much on it. any info is appreciated.
This..?

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That's funny, I had one of those, never knew what it was! Strong, 1/4" wall tubing and no weld construction.
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yeah danny f thats the one im talking about, just had a few questions about strength and if it was a decent setup. dont want to waste 300+ on a piece of crap.
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It's an AEE square springer.

[QUOTE=Deathmask;796074]Anyone know what this is?

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yeah danny f thats the one im talking about, just had a few questions about strength and if it was a decent setup. dont want to waste 300+ on a piece of crap.
Like I said, I had one. They were built strong, no welds, 1/4" wall seamless mild steel tubing. But, they were built over 30 years ago and springers do wear out. Mine needed new spring rods and upper springs. How much more work does it need on top of the $300?
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I didn't read all 8 pages, maybe someone already showed one of these, but here's one from '73. Fourth Dimension Industries, Clearwater Fla. Dig the sprung rockers.
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Like I said, I had one. They were built strong, no welds, 1/4" wall seamless mild steel tubing. But, they were built over 30 years ago and springers do wear out. Mine needed new spring rods and upper springs. How much more work does it need on top of the $300?

well. il have to shorten it. prob new springs and powdercoat everything. so i dont know prob 200-300 more by the time its on my bike. i mean what is a used springer worth in decent working order. im sure its different for each brand
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well. il have to shorten it. prob new springs and powdercoat everything. so i dont know prob 200-300 more by the time its on my bike. i mean what is a used springer worth in decent working order. im sure its different for each brand
A rebuilt springer in like new condition on your bike for $600 seems fair to me. It will be easy to shorten, just cut and rethread
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I had no idea there were so many people who made springers!
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Not AEE on tht springer...take a look at top plate in picture from AEE catalog and yours. Not same, yours straight across, AEE rounded and concave in front. Tockers not quite right either. Lots of look-alikes back in the day......
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any idea on these.

I'm swapping a stock front end for it. Came off an old Triumph chop.







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any idea on these.

I'm swapping a stock front end for it. Came off an old Triumph chop.







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I'm thinking Paughco or Jammer because of the rockers and top tree, but I heard Paughco didn't make twisted springers, and the Jammer ones had the twisted legs coming up the side of the lower tree. Whatever it is, looks like a quality piece.
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Alright here are pics of the springer I just bought and need ID'd.. the shop I bought it from is full of pans and shovels, and flat heads, even a triumph chop.. pretty cool place.







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BadnewsSS, like I replied to your original post, looks like a Columbus.
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excellent, thank you. Were they reputable? or DNA of the 70's?
They were one of the good ones.
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Badnews,
It does look like a Columbus. Does it have aluminum trees? If so, check where the spring rod comes through the top tree, they are very prone to wear and the hole becomes oblong quickly. When they first started in the early 70s the owner or someone who worked for him would take a truck full from town to town stopping at all the MC shops and sell them right out the back. Looks like your's is nearly new.
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Apparently ALL springer related posts go in this thread.............

to my knowledge this is a replica HD bigtwin springer of unknown age and origin. I'm trying to figure out what is going on with this stem.

It's been a little while since i had a springer in my hands, but I don't recall the steps and different sized threads at the threaded end. Additionally, the overall diameters appear too large to me (I wrote them on the stem in sharpie). Lastly, I thought the threads on an OEM springer were the same as a Glide Fork: but I tried to thread a nut from a Glide and it won't even come close.

Does anyone have any input on this? is not HD bigtwin, is it earlier, later..........
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Just picked this one up...Any Ideas who made it? The Top nut looks very similar to Finch's. But not shure

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Another Pic...I can get more If anyone needs any better ones.
Looks like an SB&F springer..

The rockers end lower thicker front leg ends give it away..
Also the top clamp is typical SB&F..

But it seems that somebody reworked the lower tree and the perch under the springs...it looks as if the previous owner rounded or radiused the edges..

Use the search button, I scanned and posted the SB&F catalog last month, it's a seperate thread on here..

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I know it's not a springer but I picked this girder up for 20 bucks at a swap meet yesterday, anyone know who might have made it? And where I could find shocks/springs for it?

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Looks like a P&P.
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never had any info about this one...

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never had any info about this one...

Columbus. Going back a page, there's another one there and an original ad.
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thanks worn, only thing i could tell was the risers were for 7/8 bars...
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That is a P&P girder.I belive Tommy has the shocks for those or can get them. You can find him here. http://www.lowridersbysummers.com/
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^^ yes P&P made for stock brake caliper..
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That is a P&P girder.I belive Tommy has the shocks for those or can get them. You can find him here. http://www.lowridersbysummers.com/
I sent him an email, hoping to run this thing this summer

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^^ yes P&P made for stock brake caliper..
You wouldn't know what stock brake caliper would ya?

While I'm at it can anyone identify this one? Need to find a top clamp for it.
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SIE Choppers - I had one, rear legs bent and cracked at the weld
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Thanks for info, if you still got the top clamp laying around I need it! or even a close up shop of a sie top clamp so I can make one.
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Thanks for info, if you still got the top clamp laying around I need it! or even a close up shop of a sie top clamp so I can make one.
Use the search button.. I posted top view pics of those S.I.E springers some while ago...
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...You wouldn't know what stock brake caliper would ya?
They made them for the triangular shaped Sportster/FX calipers and for a Honda 750 caliper..

It's hard to tell because the holes were almost identical on both girders..
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Figured I'd ask in here rather than create a new thread, but what's the main difference between Paughco's
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Springer with tapered oval rear legs"
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Half round are a lot like DNA (vice versa actually), tapered are sorta like stock.
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What Larry said ^^

The oval tapered rear legs are in Paugcho catalogs only for about 15 years or so..
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sound like old D&D
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So I guess that's why the tapereds are more expensive because they are a "stock" replacement, so they can squeeze exta money out for those who want stock specs? Or is it that the tapereds actual production process is more expensive?

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The oval tapered rear legs are in Paugcho catalogs only for about 15 years or so..
They still have both available on the website?

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So I guess that's why the tapereds are more expensive because they are a "stock" replacement, so they can squeeze exta money out for those who want stock specs? Or is it that the tapereds actual production process is more expensive?

They still have both available on the website?

D&D?
Yea, I think it would be quite a bit more expensive to form the tapered rear legs than to cut off a chunk of bar stock for the rear legs on the 1/2 round. If I was gonna buy a new springer now days, it would be a narrow tapered leg Paughco. I REALLY like them.

D&D was a company that manufactured parts back in the 60's/70's. Pretty sure when they closed down, they morphed into two seperate companies,Paughco and Jammer. I guess Jammer has been resurrected by Custom Chrome, but it's not really the same as it used to be.
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Ok cool thanks for the info dudes! I guess I'll go for the half-rounds once I get some cash
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I have a springer that looks almost identical to the one SpeedandNoise shows in post #57. I have no idea what it came off of. A couple guys told me it looks like a fury. I agree with Speed in that the rockers are basically HD rockers with an extension welded on. It looks very nicely done too which leads me to believe (after seeing Speeds springer) that whoever manufactured these bought a bunch of (aftermarket?) HD rockers and adapted them to work with their springers.







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Thinking about buying this front end....Says its a Denver. Is this correct? What is it worth?

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I have a springer that looks almost identical to the one SpeedandNoise shows in post #57. I have no idea what it came off of. A couple guys told me it looks like a fury. I agree with Speed in that the rockers are basically HD rockers with an extension welded on. It looks very nicely done too which leads me to believe (after seeing Speeds springer) that whoever manufactured these bought a bunch of (aftermarket?) HD rockers and adapted them to work with their springers.


Nick, are your front tubes slightly bowed towards the front? Mine are too. I've only seen one other like ours and it had twisted front tubes. I'd really like to know who made them, anyone think it's an AMEN?
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I would think the bowed legs are from years of use. I am sure the tubing was straight when the springer was built
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Yeah, I'm sure they were straight. I'm thinking it must be from the design/ geometry, or material, if they both bowed the same?
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It's a Denver's!...you can tell by the headlight tab and the welded neck stem. The rockers are a dead giveaway. All Denver's had these. But the top tree has been modified...Price? Depends on the length and how complete and good the chrome is. I've seen 20" and 30" overs sell for over $1000 easy...
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I believe we have a match!!!!! Mine is identical! I always thought this one was home-made.

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Heres one for ya. Ive never seen one like this (but I dont consider myself an "aftermarket" pro).
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Can't help with Id of the springer, but I would love a mill big enough to ball mill
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Nick, are your front tubes slightly bowed towards the front? Mine are too. I've only seen one other like ours and it had twisted front tubes. I'd really like to know who made them, anyone think it's an AMEN?
Add another one to the list, I just picked up a loong springer like this. As far as I can tell, the front tubes aren't bowed - she should clean up pretty nice.

I don't think it's an Amen, because the pics I've seen of Amen's have a straight bar going across the bottom spring perch & this one's got more of an hourglass shape.

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Also, looking at the rockers, (I can't find a close-up pic) it looks like the Amen rockers were cut out of a flat piece of steel, where - as has already been said - ours look like an HD-style rocker with the extensions welded on.

They've got a pretty unique looking top tree setup? Anyone have any ideas what make of springer we've got?

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sorry about the crappy pic. I will scan it later and post it up on my bloggie. trees and rockers are the same
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Nice! Yes, I'd love to see a scan, but that looks like it!

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Yeah, that looks like mine, but it's hard to see the trees. I've only seen 4 or 5 of these springers (all on here) and have never heard of Mel's. Thanks Appleknocker!
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Still trying to ID this long skinny springer I have? This is quite a mystery, someones gotta know?
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Looks like a D&D but the top clamp and the rockers look like a different manufacturer. I will look at my old magazines

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Picked up a couple springers and I feel like I've seen them before but can't find them in this thread or any of my mags. The first one has distinctive trees, and large rockers.







The next looks like it is a Denvers because of the V trees, but the rockers look like some I've had on another springer in the past, and the nuts and square springs look like AEE.





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Old 06-11-2012, 11:06 AM   #195
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The 2nd one looks to be an SIE. Distinctive rockers, "butt" welded lower tree and square springs.
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Thanks guys! I think I had an SIE before but with different springs ans trees. Any idea on the first? I know I've seen that top tree before.
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Well. I need some help with this springer ID. It is on a bike that was built in the early 60s in SoCal.The handle bars are part of the springer like a Harmon Girder.I took some pictures so I hope they will help.
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Looks like Sugar Bear to me. You're lucky, he's one of the best.

I'm still trying to ID the springer on the last page with the huge rockers and batwing top tree.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:22 PM   #201
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The sugar bear ones I have seen had very different rockers. Did he make different rockers? The other thing that looks different is the bar under the springs is square not round.

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Old 06-13-2012, 09:57 AM   #202
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Check his website, he still offers 4 types of rockers. Not sure how many he did back then, but I've seen this type. The bar is a little different but the style is the same.
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Here's a pic of an original Dick Allen springer, the design of which was taken over by Sugar Bear for his springers. Rockers are similar, but not quite the same as yours, and they had the round bar uder the top springs.



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Old 06-13-2012, 09:59 PM   #204
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They look allot alike but I do know it is not a Dick Allen as the original owner was an associate of his.It is also not a Fats front end which was another excellant South Bay springer from that era.I have looked at it some more today and the differences i see from others is the rockers only have 2 holes, the piece under the springs is square, the adjustment bolts for the springs have springs on them also.

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