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Old 06-06-2020, 06:19 PM   #101
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Electrode 3/4 inch out of the cup and the gasflow up a few liters , 3 or 4 amps more than usual .....and perhaps pray a bit in advance
I did think that, will be far away from doing it though as will only tack it for now and do it properly when frame is bare and I can turn it upside down.

Also want to try something I saw on weldmonger feed the other day where he actually bends the electrode in order to get to hard to reach places, haven't tried that one yet.
which I think I might have to do as dont think I'll have the correct angle getting the cup down there, will check tomorrow.
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Old 06-07-2020, 11:16 AM   #102
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Bending rods, welding with a mirror, all great fun. Stick or tig just another trick.
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Old 06-07-2020, 11:24 AM   #103
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Check out pipe welding videos on you tube. Jackson stinger and you almost all the time bend the rod.
https://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/ei...:UNDEF:X:14684
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Between those fender bracket would be easy stick weld. When I started stick is what we had, no cheap tig or mig machines, back then.
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:27 AM   #105
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yeh stick would be perfect there good shout, or ARC welding like we call it here, I have a brand new setup for stick welding that goes with my TIG, never actually used it.

Might give that a go, need a few practice pieces as been a few years since I done stick welding, helping a friend with fence gates...
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Old 06-09-2020, 01:17 PM   #106
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Any idea on these 2 tanks?
the one on the left matches the flares on my oil lines pretty well.. but the tank looks crap,
the tank on the right is in much better condition but the flare seems different? maybe just smaller, angle is kind of the same... what this all about? different years or just both really bad copies?

the threads on the one on the left arent great either, I can tighten the oil lines (rigid lines) but not as easy, maybe because they are in better condition..
also... oil cap. aren't these supposed to be all the same? if I take the one from the left and try screw on the right tank it won't go in easy....

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EDIT: had a look online and doesnt seem to be any changes on thread types on the connections or the fuel cap, its all the same throughout the years. Must be one really shitty copy.
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Old 06-09-2020, 04:50 PM   #107
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Any idea on these 2 tanks?
the one on the left matches the flares on my oil lines pretty well.. but the tank looks crap,
the tank on the right is in much better condition but the flare seems different? maybe just smaller, angle is kind of the same... what this all about? different years or just both really bad copies?

the threads on the one on the left arent great either, I can tighten the oil lines (rigid lines) but not as easy, maybe because they are in better condition..
also... oil cap. aren't these supposed to be all the same? if I take the one from the left and try screw on the right tank it won't go in easy....

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EDIT: had a look online and doesnt seem to be any changes on thread types on the connections or the fuel cap, its all the same throughout the years. Must be one really shitty copy.
Lots of real shitty copies and repops about JP! I had to alter my rigid lines to fit mine and I have a really nice repop. I was going to use an OEM, but like yours the threads were on their way out..

I've yet to have a single one that hasn't weeped from the cap either.. I have a dipstick on my cap, which is quite handy.. but it also shows that my oil level is too high.. even though i went to my manual exactly!!!
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Old 06-09-2020, 05:40 PM   #108
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the threads on the one on the left are fine, they hold the lines good, but the overall state of the tank is a mess, bits of discolouration and burnt. would be perfect to use on an old chop...
but as I'm doing the Pan with a nice paint, would just look out of place, had this other kicking about, but threads really are shit. might need to take a die set through it, make them a bit better I guess.

i don't have dipstick on any of my bikes, I just put oil in and stick my finger in it, as long as it's not right to the top and there's space to vent, the more the better, helps to cool down
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Old 06-10-2020, 05:18 AM   #109
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the threads on the one on the left are fine, they hold the lines good, but the overall state of the tank is a mess, bits of discolouration and burnt. would be perfect to use on an old chop...
but as I'm doing the Pan with a nice paint, would just look out of place, had this other kicking about, but threads really are shit. might need to take a die set through it, make them a bit better I guess.

i don't have dipstick on any of my bikes, I just put oil in and stick my finger in it, as long as it's not right to the top and there's space to vent, the more the better, helps to cool down
Agreed about the oil! I dipstick is wrong.. but I know if it's not covered in oil I may want to add a little in you know! haha.

Yeah, there's so many cheap knock offs sadly, which require work to make them runnable. Shame the pan isn't grimy it would look great. I left my oil bag outside for a month, let it mark and rust a little, so it looks well used. Worked out okay! As mentioned, none of the lines fitted properly, had to give them all a little persuasion, especially the feed line.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:30 AM   #110
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Well...back to the Pan build, she's back on the lift, think last time I done anything was March, with so many other projects going and nowhere to really ride.

Anyway... oil lines!
Bought a new set of rigid oil lines and they don't seem to fit.
My question here is... do my oil fittings look right? I dont think they do. hell, I dont even think the ones on the oil tank look right.
Before I start manhandling the rigid lines with a bender to get them to shape I wanted to ask the board opinion and if they see anything seriously wrong.

I reckon there's something going on with the oil tank. the fittings stick out too much? there isnt even enough space between the fitting and the head to put the oil line in there... what the hell is going?
Wrong tank? wrong fittings? just manhandle the lines??

The previous tank I had on was ok, but one of the lines had a rubber hose halfway and I really really would like to do it all in rigid, and the tank was side fill and I want to use a center fill.





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Old 12-28-2020, 01:41 PM   #111
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Well, had a day in the garage... not done much to be honest, tried a set of springers on the Pan, but they are too short, the front stays too low, need some a little longer so the frame sits levelled.
A friend has 1 that is 3" longer than mine, measured on the rear legs, so that might be ok, once it drops down. Measuring mine on the bench, using the little lift to bring the front up, to make her sit nice the rear legs have to be about 2.5" than what they are.
I like the springers.... but also like the wideglide... frame is going to be black, so the springers suits it best.
In terms of ride quality, doesn't really bother me much, I'm used to the springers on my 76.

Also think I figured out the problem with my oil lines... the ones I have are WW 54-048, listed as for 1938-48
and I need 54-031, listed for 1949-57. that may well be the problem.



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Old 12-29-2020, 01:50 PM   #112
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wasn't happy with the previous sissy bar... made another one today

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Old 12-30-2020, 10:25 AM   #113
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If memory serves me right, the oil fittings you have are the same as I have on my knuck. My oil lines I purchased from W&W also did not come anywhere near fitting, it took many attempts to get them to fit properly.
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I'm going to leave the oil lines alone, losing too much time with something that can be done right at the end.
The whole thing looks wrong to me. Even the oil tank fittings don't look right.
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Old 12-30-2020, 10:53 AM   #115
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I vote for the springer by the way.
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Old 01-21-2021, 04:35 AM   #116
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Pulled the Pan out as had to move bikes around again to work on a friends bike.
Allowed me to check it from a distance, need a longer springer, with this one the frame bottom rails sit about 1" lower at the front... A friend has a springer which the rear legs are 3" longer than bike, so I might try that see how she sits.



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Such a shame, I love the VL springers.
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Pulled the Pan back out the garage over the weekend as we finally had 1 day of dry weather to check the stance and sissy bar height.
Sissy bar is at good height, looks naff with the silly handlebars, but once I put (should have done for the photos) some 10" apes or flanders style with risers, it will bring the flow lines together.

About the height... with the VL springers the front of the frame is about 3/16 lower than the rear, measured. Hardly noticeable on the photos?
Put putting a small block of wood under the front wheel it looks better. or maybe it's just all in my head because I measured it and confirmed was lower, and then adding the block of wood made it better in my head.

What you guys think?
the other springers I have are 3" longer, so if I fit them it will be way too much as I'd only need the front to be maximum 1/2 higher.






hopefully will be cracking on with this as the majority of all other stuff is at a stage I can stop working on it.
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:27 AM   #119
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The small adjustment DOES make the difference. I worked on yachts and nothing is straight or square. It took some time to learn that if it looked right to the eye, forget the tape measure.
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Agreed, a little goes a long way.
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