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Old 12-18-2007, 09:47 PM   #41
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Something to add... File Storage-
Don't just throw'em in the drawer in a pile! A set of files that never gets used but get bounced around on top/against each other is just as bad as abused/wrongly used files. If you have a set that came in a carring pouch with seperate pockets for each one, keep it and use it. If you bought individual files- then keep them seperated from contacting each other somehow. All my files are in a drawer sitting on a rubber type mat and folded up in a peice of t-shirt (rag). Storage is part of proper care! This is an EXCELLENT tech thread!
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:41 PM   #42
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I was just about to buy a decent set of files so I'll ask this question first.

Mill or machine files? I assume machine which was my initial thought, but all I can find locally is mill files. I would have to mail order machine files. This thread came about just in time.
I prefer machine or machinist's files, but I have about a zillion different kinds. Mill files are good too, but generally larger. If I had to make a recommendation, I'd say pick up a decent set of machinist's files and a small set of Swiss files. That'll cover most of the bases.

Everything you ever wanted to know about files:

http://www.fedfile.com/file_terminology.html

Once you know what you're looking for, hit the flea market and look for some old, American or European made tools. Be aware that there are plenty of cheaply made brand new tools out there.

Oilburner made the point about storage, and he's right. Nothing will screw up your files faster than banging around with other files. I make sleeves out of duct tape for my good files and chisels. Put a 1 1/2 inch strip inside a 2 inch strip, sticky side to sticky side and fold it in half to make the sheath. Takes a minute, costs a few pennies and lasts for years.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:51 PM   #43
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Files are gay... the only file you"ll catch me using is a DYNAFILE.... I ain"t got time to fuck around.........LUKESTER
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:18 AM   #44
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I never file without chalk, particularly when doing aluminium. I use that huge stick chalk that you get for kids to draw on the sidewalk.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:22 AM   #45
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One tip to utilize while you are using a file is to work a crosshatch pattern on your subject (5 to 10 strokes then switch direction) try to use the length of the file,not the width when ever possible and the filed surface will come out nice and level.

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Old 12-19-2007, 05:15 AM   #46
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Great thread! Crosshatching is important, also, a big 14" Milling cit or Dreadnought file is very useful for shaping Aluminium.
Do you still have Apprenticeships over there?
I remember weeks of Benchwork class, having to make usless little things like filing a 1" cube DEAD SQUARE and flat so that it would be a push fit through a 1" square hole.
Plus filing, in the right circumstance is incredibly relaxing, you just go into a trance. You are the work!
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:10 AM   #47
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I never file without chalk, particularly when doing aluminium. I use that huge stick chalk that you get for kids to draw on the sidewalk.
Chalk is great for finish filing aluminum, but if you're going to weld the part after filing it, stick with the soap. The chalk can be ground into the metal and cause trouble with the weld, but the soap dissolves in water when you clean the part.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:55 AM   #48
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A machinist once showed me that if you don't have chalk or soap, WD40 will also work to keep the file clean. It will also work on deburing bits and rasps. Keep in mind if you are welding it though. Clean it WELL!!
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:00 PM   #49
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I was just going to pipe up w/ a question along those lines... when I was a kid, I was told kerosene was a good general purpose lube for cutting aluminum.

Looking for verification on that.

I've started always using oil (usually just whatever is handy) every time I drill, hacksaw, or file anything metal; hacksaw blades and drill bits seem to last better. Probably work better if I got the right lubes...

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:02 PM   #50
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3/8 fuel line slipped over the pointed end makes a good handle in a pinch.
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Great thread! Crosshatching is important, also, a big 14" Milling cit or Dreadnought file is very useful for shaping Aluminium.
Do you still have Apprenticeships over there?
I remember weeks of Benchwork class, having to make usless little things like filing a 1" cube DEAD SQUARE and flat so that it would be a push fit through a 1" square hole.
Plus filing, in the right circumstance is incredibly relaxing, you just go into a trance. You are the work!
It's amazing how having to make usless little things can give such a foundation for metal working.

I learned how to do metal finish body work about 26yrs ago from a 65 yr old bodyman that taught "old school methods".
It would be interesting to know if there are apprenticeships avalible that teach the finer art. I am sure there are.

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Old 12-19-2007, 04:44 PM   #52
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I love files.

I cringe when I see someone grind a bracket off and gouge metal...

I filed down my fork tubes last night where some fender brackets used to be.
Touched it up with a little emory cloth when I was done... and man, you'd never know the things were welded on!

Here is some file work... a bracket on our drag car. Notice the nice radius. It was done by first filing a 45 on the edges, and then splitting the difference between those angles, then again, then emory cloth.

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More File info for the file on Files...

http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brand...iles/index.cfm

Be sure to file this in the File file.
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To add to the thought on file storage:
I took a small sheet of 1/4" plywood, cut to fit in a part of the tool box.
Drive medium size nails next to a file-on edge- to be a divider. Now, next file, make a whole row, I've got about 12 or so. Leave enough room to get them in and out. Remove files, drive nails all the way through.
Turn plywood over. Replace files in between nails.

The files don't take up much room, and if they rub a bit against the softer nails, no harm done.

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