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Old 08-20-2014, 02:09 PM   #1
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Well, I was holding out to do a build thread on my next personal bike to show off a few cool details we have been developing, but that keeps getting pushed back with client work. For those of you that know the "formulaic" look of our bikes, this one should be the best of the best, for whatever that is worth:

Chopped, narrowed, flat-bottomed, split 3.5g HD tanks (big filler caps)
16", 21" wheels
SHORT rigid rear section
Euro-made HD replica springer front end
Paint by Ryzart

So, here we go again..... This time the subject is a seized '58, with a titeld, numbers-matching frame and motor.

Since the motor was seized, I thought it would be a good idea to go ahead and get that at least split and assessed before proceeding too far.

With the help of a hole-saw the pistons gave up their positions in the cylinders.





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Dan at FAG Engine got the crank and rods sorted. While I was waiting, I took care of a what I could without the crank and rods.

rocker spindles cleaned and polished...


Bead blast, and rebuilt rocker boxes...


Bead-blast cases.


Since the client wants no battery, this will be an alternator bike. Here is a block off for the generator hole that I made out of 1/4" alloy.


Fresh from Dan at FAG Engine: bored/honed/painted cylinders, re-bushed and weight-matched rods, and new pistons with fitted rings...


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Since this bike will have a dry BNR belt drive, an oil seal had to be retro fitted to the drive-side case...



Alignment tool setting the ring...


Ready for a proper oil seal...


Head cleaned and bead blasted...


...Typical head bolt boss cracks


grind, TIG, grind, file...


Deck the head
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New brass guides, installed and bored...


new stainless valves lapped in place


new springs and hardware


The head is ready...
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Awesome as usual...
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Awesome as usual...
Thanks!

Oh, and I added a proper oil seal for the crank feed: I TID'd on extra material around the feed boss, then turned out the recess to fit a "unit" seal and clip.


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nice work danielson. I have some JB Weld I can share if you want some.
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nice work danielson. I have some JB Weld I can share if you want some.
Heck yeah! Send it! These ring things are the only place I use the stuff.
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Keep em coming Dan. I Can't say nothing but great things about the other Dan from FAG Engine as well, just a stand up dude
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Interestingly awaiting more awesomeness...
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With my first pre unit build nearby.... I am taking lots of notes!...
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Music to my eyes Dan.
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Thought about going with the Alton gen/alt... Going to look into doing the crank alt also since I have a few hanging on the wall and more about reliability rather than "original"..
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nice brother I've been wanting to call you here sometime soon to say hi and pick your brain about some performance mods on my motor
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Dan, all your builds inspire me a lot! Looking for the donor bike now...
Thanks for the great share.
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Good start, Nice
I have a question I'm running BNB Racing drive and have a similar oil seal set up to you.
I've done a couple of thousand miles on bike and now I'm wondering about breathing
did the engine breathe through here into primary?
because when i stop(After a thrash) i have maybe 2 teaspoons of oil under bike at crankcase breather(for sure some oil is misting out when running.
Also do you do anything at gearbox mainshaft bushing? (I'm using longer bronze bush)I have a weep there that flicks onto back of clutch basket i was thinking of putting an oil seal there.
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Thanks for the support guys! I will try to be as thorough as possible with the pics and whatnot.


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nice brother I've been wanting to call you here sometime soon to say hi and pick your brain about some performance mods on my motor
Call anytime Chuck, I'm glad to help.
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Good start, Nice
I have a question I'm running BNB Racing drive and have a similar oil seal set up to you.
I've done a couple of thousand miles on bike and now I'm wondering about breathing
did the engine breathe through here into primary?
because when i stop(After a thrash) i have maybe 2 teaspoons of oil under bike at crankcase breather(for sure some oil is misting out when running.
Also do you do anything at gearbox mainshaft bushing? (I'm using longer bronze bush)I have a weep there that flicks onto back of clutch basket i was thinking of putting an oil seal there.
thanks
There was a little breath-through to the primary, but not much. Remember that the next model up came with a seal on the drive-side case and they both have the exact same cam-driven, crank breather, window arrangement. BTW, Often overlooked is the seal quality of the timing-side case half to the generator. If it is not sound, more oil will get spat out of the crank breather tube, as well as other areas.
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more updates. This beast was in desperate need of some love.


New Brushes, bearings, seals, condensor, and a thorough cleaning/bead-blasting on my end. Then I sent the mag out to be re-magnetized and hot-run checked, The original armature, pick ups, and slip ring tested perfect, as did the new Bright-Spark condensor. Check one of my tech threads about these IC capacitor. It is the single best thing ever made new for these K2FC mags. I have put several K2FC's back into service with these caps and just a basic cleaning and tuning.


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this bike gets the pimp Euro-made HD repop front end. So, if you're thinking about one for a triumph, here's how it works...



first remove this ring from the bottom of the stem.


Chuck up the castle nut...


Face it off to the right length. Also notice the shoulder cut on the right side...


open up the hole on a dust cover, or make one from scratch.


I like them to fit nice and flush...


...A little silicon bronze to keep from over heating the thinner dust cover.


Get the right Timken bearings and adapters for the Triumph neck cups and BAM! Like a glove. but what about those unsightly threaded holes in the rear legs?


Turn up a pair of reducing bungs...


That fit in there like this...


Then turn a couple tapered, counter-bored alloy bungs, and top them with some ss socket head bolts.


Here are a couple cold-rolled axles I made for this bike and the next. Castle nuts locked down with cotter pins will give some piece of mind out on the road.
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Wow. Love the springer.
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Wow. Just plain wow.

Damn good show. I love the bit about the.....oh, and that one about .......

Wow.
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You do great work. I have told you that before. Keep the updates coming.
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Thought I'd see your Tri tool to keep that piece square in the lathe mate.
Beautiful welding and a great idea with the tapered bungs, real nice.
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Some very awesome tech Dan, thank you very much !!
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Thanks Ross, Jaws, Dave, and Jon. I'll try to keep the pics coming.

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Beautiful welding and a great idea with the tapered bungs, real nice.
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I chucked that castle nut in with the live center instead of that alloy tool. Whatever works, right.
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trans cases glass bead blasted...


Well, the inner cover's hole for the kickstart quadrant stop was screwed. I drilled out the inner cover to the next size up and turned this new stop. good as new.



Fourth gear bush was spent, so a later "unit" fourth gear with a new bush was in order. The rest of the gears were good to go.


The camplate was trashed too so a new replacement went in with the rest.


Camplate bushing leaks. I'm not a big fan of them. This is a solution to one of the many pre unit leaky spots...


Speedo drive leaks, not a fan of those either. I turned this o-ring equipped bit to make this leak a thing of the past.


Now it's on to the fun stuff!
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So you're saying is a lathe is a waste of money and space.
good stuff!
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Great work Dan! Looking good as always.
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Good start, Nice
I have a question I'm running BNB Racing drive and have a similar oil seal set up to you.
I've done a couple of thousand miles on bike and now I'm wondering about breathing
did the engine breathe through here into primary?
because when i stop(After a thrash) i have maybe 2 teaspoons of oil under bike at crankcase breather(for sure some oil is misting out when running.
Also do you do anything at gearbox mainshaft bushing? (I'm using longer bronze bush)I have a weep there that flicks onto back of clutch basket i was thinking of putting an oil seal there.
thanks
HA! Funny you should ask these questions. I am currently developing a crank breather system that can be run with a stock, after-market or custom oil tank that will not spit oil on the ground, nor need emptying. It should be ready within the month.

Also, this week I hope to finalize a practical solution to the counter-shaft bushing leak too. If there is any interest in any of these pre unit leak killers, I may put some or all of them into production.
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Excel 21 and 16 rims back from getting drilled.


...after media blasting.


...after masking nipple countersink holes...


...back from powder coating


...back from Buchanan's Spoke, with ss spokes and nippples, and with new rubber mounted. Pic has maximum distortion on the 16 rear
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Why did you mask inside?
to avoid scratching or you sealed nipples with silicone?
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Why did you mask inside?
to avoid scratching or you sealed nipples with silicone?
I did that so I wouldn't have to drill excess powder coating from the holes and countersunk recesses. Long term, I feel it is better for the nipples to seat directly on the alloy rim, as designed.
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for sure
and expensive blue flash tape nice
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Ha! Yes! The shop that does pc for me gives me all the blue tape I can use. I guess he likes the fact that I clean, media blast, and mask everything I bring him. That way, all he has to do is rack, powder, and bake. He even gives me media too. That's why I always give him a mention when I get featured in mags.
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The correct tape will live in the oven.

Masking tape, etc won't.
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More little details..
Since I use non-Brit front brake parts/cables and make my own cables for the clutch, and use non-Brit hand controls, this is what I start with...


For a better fit/function, I turn these adapters for the adjusters/cables. Sometimes I leave then exposed, sometimes I heat-shrink them with the cables.

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Great thread. I could look at build details like these all day.
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Great thread. I could look at build details like these all day.
Thanks Bob! I have a few more details to show

First on the list is putting these bloated tanks on a diet...


Laying out the cut lines was fun. Just for the record, the left and right tank are VERY diffferent, account for that if you plan to chop them.


Even with the asymmetry, I still wanted them to have, well, symmetry. So, after chopping the inboard fat off, this is how I got some symmetry with flat-bottoming the tanks; tacked them together so the tops had the same overall flow left-to-right, then tacked the pair to my table. From that point marking the cut-off line was easy.


This is the removed blubber, but now I had to make them able to hold gas again.


The bottoms went on first, even though this one says "top"


Then the sides were formed and marked for their respective tank. .


TIG, TIG, TIG...




This set got top and bottom cross over tubes so it can be filled/used just like they were originally intended.


After being pressure tested, and mounts completed, they were off for body work...


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Awesome work on the tank. And the rest of the bike is looking real nice.
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Awesome work on the tank. And the rest of the bike is looking real nice.
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Wow, if the tanks are going to sit like that in their finished state, I say that is very cool !! AT present they look like a 1966-1970 Bonneville tank with dual caps...sweet !!
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:39 PM   #43
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Wow, if the tanks are going to sit like that in their finished state, I say that is very cool !! AT present they look like a 1966-1970 Bonneville tank with dual caps...sweet !!
Thanks Jon! That's exactly how they are going to sit, spacing and all. I originally chopped those tanks for my next personal bike, a factory rigid, but they will get in the breeze sooner on this one.
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Fantastic work Dan. I bought a lathe back in Sept. (a U.S. one) I love it and am learning quite a bit. Already have a MiG and 2 of those Dillon/Henrob/Cobra torches. My next purchase is going to be a TiG. What are you using?
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you sir are awesom - the tank is amazing!

this is exactly the type of design i`m searching for my wishbone frame
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Fantastic work Dan. I bought a lathe back in Sept. (a U.S. one) I love it and am learning quite a bit. Already have a MiG and 2 of those Dillon/Henrob/Cobra torches. My next purchase is going to be a TiG. What are you using?
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Crank back from re-grind. It was packed full of hate.


And so was the crank for the next build.


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Dan I have to ask mate, was the tank fillet welded from the inside with the flat bottom clamped to the bench (so it wouldnt distort) or are they good penetrations I see after welding from the outside? Curious is all, I've never cut up a tank and welded shut before. I reckon you welded the outside because there would be marks from where you got rid of paint before welding, with maybe a strip disc or something? Do the guys you give it to dip it into a bath to remove inner tank paint?
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Outstanding detail and work!
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That's it I'm ordering a t shirt you guyz really do a great job over there... seriously...
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Dan I have to ask mate, was the tank fillet welded from the inside with the flat bottom clamped to the bench (so it wouldnt distort) or are they good penetrations I see after welding from the outside? Curious is all, I've never cut up a tank and welded shut before. I reckon you welded the outside because there would be marks from where you got rid of paint before welding, with maybe a strip disc or something? Do the guys you give it to dip it into a bath to remove inner tank paint?
Excuse me for the Q's, I'd like to split a tank one day.
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All welding was done from the outside, what you are seeing is just good penetration into the inside corners.

The inside of the tank shells were media blasted to remove all previously applied paint/sealer. All external areas to be welded were cleaned of paint with Roloc disks on a small, air, die grinder. Easy, right?
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Bring it on! I'll toss a fist-full of stickers in there too. Oh, and Thanks!
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Thanks mate, Bloody good penetrations, excellent in fact.
Easy not! Well done Dan!!
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Thanks mate, Bloody good penetrations, excellent in fact.
Easy not! Well done Dan!!
Thanks DB!

Here is a bit more progress. Chain guard cut on my 5 axis water-jet. NOT! More like drill, die grinder, files, and sweat.


fender in process of getting butchered to fit.


And, finally a full shot of bike with tanks, fender and chain guard on. The motor is one of my personal ones. This bike's motor will be a single carb with a pre unit 8-bolt head.


Next is pipes. Standard stuff here, but I've never really shown the process. So here it is. All tubing very tightly fitted, back-purged, then fused.


Tedious this. After fusing, lots of filing follows. while final hand sanding is not done yet, this is one of the seams.


The rear supports on the pipes got a little out of hand this time. I am a big fan of Ducati lattice frames, so that's kinda what I ended up with. Tidy and super strong, I think it can manage to hold up the ends


All seams filed, sanded and ready for ceramic coating.
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Clean lines Dan, very very nice.
I have a treat for you for this one. I'll PM you in a few days.
Keep the picture flow commig, never shown details as well.

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More updates... The electrics needed a home and this is where they went.

The caps found a spot between the tanks in a scrap of 1-5/8" exhaust tubing, used as a clamp.


The rectifier filled a space between the motor and transmission, hung from a motor mount spacing tube.


With the magneto out, you can see it down there. The way the bracket is offset, the rectifier can easily be accessed and unbolted from below.


here is a shot from below with a mirror...


This has nothing to do with the bike, but my son helped me make this filler rack yesterday. Once it is sorted, I'll write the types of rod on the corresponding PVC tubing. It was some brilliant father-son time. My George is the best!
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Do you have to use the capacitor? I thought those regulators had them built in?
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Do you have to use the capacitor? I thought those regulators had them built in?
The rectifier may have some capacitor built in, but it would have to be a tiny one. Since this bike is a magneto equipped bike I could probably skip the capacitors altogether, but I like to reduce the flickering lights at idle as much as possible.
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So much nice details.
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pretty sweet! wish i had that kinda time to work on mine and shop space.
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Thanks. Limited time and space.... I know that feel. Most all this stuff goes down in one bay of my three car garage, on one or maybe two days a week off my day job. BTW, this thread is not posted in real time, I am already four months in on this build, and just now getting around to posting a thread. And this build is in addition to hand building our parts to-order for other people. Yeah, it's exhausting some times Sleep, I need more of it.
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Next is a place to hang the brake pedal and brake switch. This setup is not quite as complex as the last bike, but I'm also not using rear sets this time either. 3/16" plate with bungs welded in...


modified brake pedal from this.


to this... Maybe it's just me, but I just can't stomach those spring-thing brake switches.


And the rear brake setup is done. More details to follow...
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Hey Joel! Long time Broseph! What are you working on these days?
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Dan, this thread is too cool. Your fab work is, as usual, outstanding. I am totally loving the front end, look like a real nice piece.

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I like how you moved the rear brake actuating arm down but how did you anchor the backing plate?
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Dan, this thread is too cool. Your fab work is, as usual, outstanding. I am totally loving the front end, look like a real nice piece.

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Ha! Sharp eye VonWegener! I was wondering who would be the first to notice that. The brake stay is factory-rigid style, locked onto the inboard of the axle plate. I made up a few extra sets of these blocks, if anyone digs it.


This setup has a cleaner flow than the old strut type brake stay. The frame tab will come off when I break it down soon.
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That's an awesome set up for the rear brake. Wish I had done that to mine before I had the rear brake plate chromed.
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mostly paint work at the current.

but i've got a mess of projects going together. 60XLCH stocker, Preunit Trike, and shovelhead long bike.
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Sure gonna try, the local Triumph Guru (James) here in Sav. has also invited me to go....he has had a place there for years...
...If I dont do you want me to send that frame with him?
..Also....you mentioned making this motor with out the generator, I have seen "adapters" for the rotor/stator.... they look with a belt conversion and the adapter a "spacer" / shim would be needed for the primary cover...
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Thanks Dan! Yeah, that front end is really nice, costly though. Ouch!


Ha! Sharp eye VonWegener! I was wondering who would be the first to notice that. The brake stay is factory-rigid style, locked onto the inboard of the axle plate. I made up a few extra sets of these blocks, if anyone digs it.


This setup has a cleaner flow than the old strut type brake stay. The frame tab will come off when I break it down soon.
Is that chain guard the finished angle?
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it looks as though it carries the lines (parallel) from the rear frame tube. I asked myself the same question.... but I believe if the rear mount was dropped the visual lines may not be visually appealing due to its visual structure. or maybe not long enough...
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Short answer: yes. Long answer: There are two things at play here. One, the chain is pretty long and thus moves around quite a bit. Two, the BNR belt drive does away with the Cush-drive clutch center. Both those factors tend to make the chain a bit more jumpy than stock. I have had a more snug fitting guard in the past and the chain tends to occasionally rap on the underside of the guard. The sound it makes is not unlike catastrophic detonation. Unnerving to say the least. Experience has taught me that this is one area that it is best to let function trump form. And, well, it gives a bit more piece of mind if the chain lets go, and fills an otherwise empty space.
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Yea i know what your saying i have same skate wheel setup have at least 1 inch of movement on top run of chain(I'm also running BNR drive)
A question on skate wheel i have abec 15 bearings they went very rough after 1000miles
i cleaned and lubed with 90 gear oil now testing again.
skate shop told me highest rating was 9 for inline skates.
What are you running for bearings and is there a lot of tension on your wheel to chain(i have a wild oscillation at a certain speed (27" between clutch centre to wheel centre)
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Short answer: yes. Long answer: There are two things at play here. One, the chain is pretty long and thus moves around quite a bit. Two, the BNR belt drive does away with the Cush-drive clutch center. Both those factors tend to make the chain a bit more jumpy than stock. I have had a more snug fitting guard in the past and the chain tends to occasionally rap on the underside of the guard. The sound it makes is not unlike catastrophic detonation. Unnerving to say the least. Experience has taught me that this is one area that it is best to let function trump form. And, well, it gives a bit more piece of mind if the chain lets go, and fills an otherwise empty space.
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Head steadies. Done. Since this bike is being mocked up with a unit head instead of pre unit, I was forced to build a fixture based of my original '55 head steadies. So. If any of you guys have a '55-'59 Triumph with a pre unit head, iron or alloy, and want these steadies, I can now reliably produce them. The second pic is how they look on the motor/frame of a previous bike. Even though it is a Duplex, you get the idea.



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Yea i know what your saying i have same skate wheel setup have at least 1 inch of movement on top run of chain(I'm also running BNR drive)
A question on skate wheel i have abec 15 bearings they went very rough after 1000miles
i cleaned and lubed with 90 gear oil now testing again.
skate shop told me highest rating was 9 for inline skates.
What are you running for bearings and is there a lot of tension on your wheel to chain(i have a wild oscillation at a certain speed (27" between clutch centre to wheel centre)
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The ABEC rating is not as critical as the quality of the bearing, and having a "wiper" type of seal to keep out contaminants. Also, do not run chain too tight. I leave around 2" or so of deflection in the top run of chain. The oscillation has alot to do with not only length of chain run but also front sprocket size vs. RPM and torque applied from the motor at a given instant AND the amount of tension applied by the chain tensioner, if one is used. Soooooo, I don't have a solution, but I have found a decent compromise between the above factors....Probably by accident
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Small update. License plate and tail light bracket finished. It holds two Titmouse lights and a brass bottle opener.


And to use this primary cover, it needed some love. You know the drill: grind TIG, grind, drill, file a lot, and light sanding.






Then to let air in to cool the stator and clutch, I chopped a hole in the outter cover, here is the process.
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Nice work - how did you find the centre of the clutch for the primary cover aperture?

I like that license plate/tail light bracket too: it looks like it will outlast just about anything, unlike those single-bend 1/8" plate brackets that look like they'll be gone in a hundred miles.
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Nice work - how did you find the centre of the clutch for the primary cover aperture?

I like that license plate/tail light bracket too: it looks like it will outlast just about anything, unlike those single-bend 1/8" plate brackets that look like they'll be gone in a hundred miles.
Finding center is easy. Set your transmission distance from the motor for proper belt tension, remove the adjuster set screw from the clutch plate, Basically get everything in its final position. Then put the outer cover back on and use the clutch pushrod, from the timing side of the transmission, to carefully strike the inside of the cover. That's your center for whatever cutout you choose.

Haha! I've also found that single-bend license plate brackets are prone to failure. That's what prompted this design
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Love the claddagh on the bottle opener.... I am working on a Celtic weave pattern for a seat... Leftovers from my daughters competitive irish dancing days
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Like the tail light/license plate holder. Any chance you have a couple other photo's/angles? Very nice work.
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Head steadies.
These are lovely.
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then T section but closer I see the angle.
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So much goodness, skill and taste, one of my top favorite posts yet on JJ, first ride was a triumph at age thirteen wish I knew what I was doing cause damn, look at you go.
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Amazing work as allways, will follow this one for sure
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Love the claddagh on the bottle opener.... I am working on a Celtic weave pattern for a seat... Leftovers from my daughters competitive irish dancing days
Thanks Rob. This bike is being built as a tribute to the client's late step father. The man was Irish, very loved and highly respected. It is quite special for me to be able to build a bike for a noble reason as that.


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then T section but closer I see the angle.
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Pegs are such a contrast to the last bike mate, I just love 'em.
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They're old fashioned Dan, really suit the bike, practical, and wont limit cornering due to the design. The rest of the bike. SOLID bro!
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They're old fashioned Dan, really suit the bike, practical, and wont limit cornering due to the design. The rest of the bike. SOLID bro!
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Thanks! I like it too, and it serves a good function. Need polishing though

More details...

For the rear brake adjustment knob I turned up a neat little brass deal. Here is the process, well, at least the parts I remembered to photograph...

before.


next turn a nice shoulder on it, then part it off the bar.


drill and cut divots


dish in the face, and tap 1/4-28.


Cope the back


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And a custom cap for the axle adjuster - Dan's detail wonderland.....
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Long overdue, another Angry Monkey build thread, fantastic reading & exceptional attention to detail throughout the build,
Not wanting to blow too much smoke up your arse Dan, but I do enjoy reading and looking at the pictures of your projects,
keep it coming old chum
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Thanks! I like it too, and it serves a good function. Need polishing though

More details...

For the rear brake adjustment knob I turned up a neat little brass deal. Here is the process, well, at least the parts I remembered to photograph...

before.


next turn a nice shoulder on it, then part it off the bar.


drill and cut divots


dish in the face, and tap 1/4-28.


Cope the back


Done.
Very nice touch there, it's the little things that make the builds you do fantastic.
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And a custom cap for the axle adjuster - Dan's detail wonderland.....
Haha, Thanks VW! Details are the funnest parts


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keep it coming old chum
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Thanks! I know you guys build a proper Brit bike too.

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David, Ha! I was wondering if anyone would notice the new rescued shop cat, "Rockford". No more worries about rogue bits of paper taking over the garage . More updates coming....
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I really dig the custom brake adjustment knob. Like others have mentioned, the small details really add up to something special.

You should bang a few out and sell them. In stainless would be cool.

I don't have a milling machine or lathe but I do have a paypal account.
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I really dig the custom brake adjustment knob. Like others have mentioned, the small details really add up to something special.

You should bang a few out and sell them. In stainless would be cool.

I don't have a milling machine or lathe but I do have a paypal account.
Coco, Thanks. I've been known to sell my wares on occasion. How about a brake adjuster made from titanium, like this. I don't think you'll see another like it at your local bike night It weighs only 18 grams.


....Or alloy like these.


Or knurled brass.
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Wow Dan, I really like the knurled brass ones the most even though the others are a hair away from being just as cool...with that six gun cylinder look.

One of those would be cool on my '57 6T or maybe the 1972 500 custom I have planned and if you were to sell one of them, I would definitely be in
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I'd be interested in the titanium brake adjuster if you plan to put them up for sale
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Hopeing to get down but my brother will be there set up in the swap meet.
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Magpies will fly away with titanium one. SHINY
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Wow Dan, I really like the knurled brass ones the most even though the others are a hair away from being just as cool...with that six gun cylinder look.

One of those would be cool on my '57 6T or maybe the 1972 500 custom I have planned and if you were to sell one of them, I would definitely be in
Jon, Thanks! All those knobs were made for others and are sold, but if you want one, just email my from my website with what you want and I can price it for you.
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I can make one of those up for you between client work. E-mail me for more info.
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Thanks! Yeah, We are finding lots of dead squirrels and rats since this guy arrived. Which works out pretty well.
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David, Ha! I was wondering if anyone would notice the new rescued shop cat, "Rockford". No more worries about rogue bits of paper taking over the garage . More updates coming....
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That is an awesome looking cat! I miss my angry cat. She loved being in the garage.

Those brake nuts are amazing.
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That is an awesome looking cat! I miss my angry cat. She loved being in the garage.

Those brake nuts are amazing.
Thanks Dave! This is the only cat I've ever had that hangs out in the garage all the time. Noise, dirt, grinding, welding, nothing makes him run out.

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The original clutch cable perch on these pre units is fairly crap IMHO; flexy, bad approach angles, etc. So, anymore, I build up my own perch, with more precise way of holding the cable end, and that holds it at a more direct angle to the clutch arm to reduce effort and wear. Since it is welded to the motor mount, there is also ZERO flex. I also make up my own cables, since the ones that are available to buy are rarely the same length, but are always too long. Here is how it works...


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knurled brake adjuster is boss and I like the clutch cable arrangement,nice solution
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Dan,Where at Barber are you going to be at? I'll be at upper tent camping D. Stop by if I don't see you first. Jack
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Just found this thread. Awesome work. Looking forward to the finished runner.
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Dan,Where at Barber are you going to be at? I'll be at upper tent camping D. Stop by if I don't see you first. Jack
Jack, Since I am bumming with friends, I'm not 100% sure which area we are in but I think it's Upper D too. Just look for my old truck, I will be close by at dusk. I'm looking forward to catching up with you in a few weeks
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Just found this thread. Awesome work. Looking forward to the finished runner.
Thanks! On with the pics......

FYI If you plan to use Megacycle cams, MOST of the time they fit up with no issues, but sometimes they do require a bit of love to fit, and figured I'd share the love.

The two issues (besides clearancing the cases, which is to be expected) over the years with these cams is:

1) one time both cam's threads were off a bit, and would bind with the original nuts. They said they were using a worn out nut to gauge the tread fit, and that the problem had since been resolved.

2) Several times the depth of the shoulder that goes through the timing side bushing was a few thou short, and required back cutting the cam gears, while leaving proud a small shoulder to seat on the cam, so they would not bind on the bushing or cases when fully tightened. This is how I remedied the situation. (Daddy Boy, I did indeed use the alloy, tri-spacer thingy to hold the gear in the lathe )

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Old 09-19-2014, 10:32 AM   #124
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More useless info:

Whether you use new production or are reworking and original cylinder set, I have found, almost without exception, that the headbolt holes needed to be chased/flushed/blown-out to get full travel to properly torque the head. This is better to do when the cylinders are not on the cases obviously. If you are using new hardware, it is best to test fit all of it to the cylinders before you even think of installing them to the cases. The first pics are before and after chasing threads.






Also, If you want to make the job REALLY easy, contact Dave of Herich Customs, for one of these nifty alloy plates. They take the fight out of doing the top end of these motors.


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Reckon mines more Gucci
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Thanks Dan! Glad to see you're putting it to good use!
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Gonna make that tri thingy for the work lathe Dan, the fitters dig it.

I've got something to add with the fitment of studs. Measure with vernier caliper the depth, if the stud doesn't tighten at the bottom, drop a small roller ball or whatever in the hole. Better than the stud thread tightening up at the hole boss. More so with aluminium.
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I've got something to add with the fitment of studs. Measure with vernier caliper the depth, if the stud doesn't tighten at the bottom, drop a small roller ball or whatever in the hole. Better than the stud thread tightening up at the hole boss. More so with aluminium.
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It's always fun to pick up coated stuff.

ceramic coating done.


powder coating done.


Slick alloy front motor mounts by Joe at www.choppedtriumphs.com Thanks again Joe!
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Nice.

How does the pipe mount bracket attach to the bike?
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These are great tips! Thanks for sharing

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Whether you use new production or are reworking and original cylinder set, I have found, almost without exception, that the headbolt holes needed to be chased/flushed/blown-out to get full travel to properly torque the head. This is better to do when the cylinders are not on the cases obviously. If you are using new hardware, it is best to test fit all of it to the cylinders before you even think of installing them to the cases. The first pics are before and after chasing threads.






Also, If you want to make the job REALLY easy, contact Dave of Herich Customs, for one of these nifty alloy plates. They take the fight out of doing the top end of these motors.


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Triangulated bracket is superb AND strong!
I'm a bit confused about ceramic coated pipes Dan. Is the ceramic on the inside for a cooler smoother velocity exit and obviously less chance of bluing at the head?
Excuse me if I ask the obvious, I know it isn't cheap and will make the header last a lot longer rust wise....
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Triangulated bracket is superb AND strong!
I'm a bit confused about ceramic coated pipes Dan. Is the ceramic on the inside for a cooler smoother velocity exit and obviously less chance of bluing at the head?
Excuse me if I ask the obvious, I know it isn't cheap and will make the header last a lot longer rust wise....
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DB yeah, the idea is to keep the heat inside the pipes, for better gas expansion and exhaust velocity, blah, blah, blah. Does it really work? Who knows What I do know is it helps reduce pipe temps for burns, does not change color, has a polished aluminum type finish that looks good with the other polished alloys on the motor, and if it gets scuffed can be polished back up like aluminum. Any performance gains are likely VERY minor, if any.
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Great info for a novice like myself. A tutorial of sorts. Love your work.
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Well, this happen on Saturday on the way to work. Which meant a two mile "walk of shame" with my personal bike. It is a fibre magneto gear that shed a few teeth. The reason this is on this thread, is my endeavor to reduce possible points of failure in these old bikes. This "fix" will be standard on all our pre units from here on out.


So, I took one of these single-keyway cam gears that are fairly useless for accurate cam timing...


And back cut the face, and the inside of the gear ring, then turned the center hole for a nice snug fit. I ended up drilling, but not using the four rivet points on the gear.


Finished AA assembly TIG'd together. I will be making a few more of these steel timing gears this week, if anyone has a need for one. Or if you need a steel gear retro fitted to your AA and made ready to drop in and time, I can do that too.
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Thats a cool fix Dan, I like it.

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Dan, if you keep it up you will have a your own line of Angry Monkey specialty triumph parts . Keep engineering my friend .
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Tom, I'm working on just that

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Yeah!

More updates.

The motor is re-timed with the new steel gear and buttoned up




Head steadies fit like a glove. Final assembly is such a joy! NO grime and no unpleasant surprises.


Motor and trans back in the frame.
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Dan, what's that little oil tank looking thing, puke tank for case venting ?
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Yep. it basically separates the oil from the gasses, letting the crankcase breath but drastically reducing the amount of oil escaping. I have been developing this thing for the last or so year on my personal bike. I works really well.
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Very tidy.
Are the brass fittings and clear tube for mockup?
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Are the brass fittings and clear tube for mockup?
Good call Tony. How's this?
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Still so very clean and beautiful....
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Still so very clean and beautiful....
Thanks!

Here is the finished clutch cable setup. The geometry is right where it should be now
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Love watching your builds Dan, you put so much effort into getting the detail right. Keep it coming!

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Love watching your builds Dan, you put so much effort into getting the detail right. Keep it coming!
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Haha! Thanks Dan!

Here is another small detail, a delete plug for the speedo drive


And installed, interference fit.
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Devils in the details! Your work is a big inspiration. Really appreciate you answering my emails and building the tank for me.
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Devils in the details! Your work is a big inspiration. Really appreciate you answering my emails and building the tank for me.
Thanks Johann! It looks like your bike is going to rock for sure.

Here is just another small update. Wiring done. All soldered, all heat-shinked, tested and ready to run.






And the pipes are on. Yeah!
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Oh man you didn't.

I was being a smartass.
All the clean small detail, just beautiful.
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Yes. As long as clients keep asking for them, I guess I'll keep making them.

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Oh man you didn't. I was being a smartass.
All the clean small detail, just beautiful.
Haha! I like the black. It blends in better.

More details....

The exhaust rear support in place
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Very nice. Love how clean the wiring is when ran through the frame. Is there any concern for corrosion with the inside of the tubes potentially exposed to water or humidity?
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You have a Monster? COOL! (jealous).

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Very nice. Love how clean the wiring is when ran through the frame. Is there any concern for corrosion with the inside of the tubes potentially exposed to water or humidity?
I had to drill the frame tubes in several areas and the tubing was nice and thick, as usual. This motor/frame was made (or at least titled) in 1958, and has seen some serious service. If the tubing/castings are still this solid in 2014, I don't think possible internal corrosion will be much of an issue for a LONG time yet. When I ran the wires, no rust was apparent, plenty of dirt though
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I had to drill the frame tubes in several areas and the tubing was nice and thick, as usual. This motor/frame was made (or at least titled) in 1958, and has seen some serious service. If the tubing/castings are still this solid in 2014, I don't think possible internal corrosion will be much of an issue for a LONG time yet. When I ran the wires, no rust was apparent, plenty of dirt though
That sounds about right. I like how clean that looks. I might have to do that with my build. Can you share any tricks for pulling the wiring through the frame?
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More small details. I made this titanium bit for a brake barrel.


Installed.


Bob Newby's best in its final position


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Hey Dan check this out,
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Yeah, I know about those. They are fixed gears. I've used them before, but I'm not a big fan of fixed timing on a street bike. To fit an AA to one of those is no easier than machining a steel timing gear. The steel gears have more gear whine, but I actually like that about them.
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Well, after a bunch of design, punching, tooling, dyeing, and pulling about 25 feet of kangaroo lace through tiny holes....The saddle is finally done. This client requested having this Latin phrase on the saddle. Which is weird because I've always wanted to do a classy Latin phrase on a saddle, or on anything really.






Paint is next. Rich is just about to wrap it up. I can't wait :-D
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pretty good! With Latin there is no exact translation, but the client said the thought is "all things I need, I carry with me" This bike was commissioned to honor the client's very loved, departed, step father. Very touching story really. It is going to CA, so may see it out your way at some point.
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Yeah and where does your skill set end.
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:08 AM   #169
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One of the two reasons I take a peek at this site every day. Nice work Dan. Sorry I missed you at Barber... couldn't make it because of a last minute scheduling conflict.

Great work as usual.

BTW. The other symbol... Eagle Scout???

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Old 10-31-2014, 12:55 PM   #170
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One of the two reasons I take a peek at this site every day. Nice work Dan. Sorry I missed you at Barber... couldn't make it because of a last minute scheduling conflict.
Great work as usual.
BTW. The other symbol... Eagle Scout???
Haha! No worries on Barbers. Maybe next year we will get to meet up. I'm gonna try to buy a spot to have a booth for 2015 to display a bike or two and have a few other goodies for sale. The fleur-de-lis is another homage to his dad. He was a big saints fan.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:03 PM   #171
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Holy shit! Leather too?!

Many talented folks on this thread. I'm lucky if I can stay inside the lines with my crayons.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:07 PM   #172
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Holy shit! Leather too?!

Many talented folks on this thread. I'm lucky if I can stay inside the lines with my crayons.
Leather is my cryptonite, it's not nearly as good as lots of others on this board. But, of all the leather work out there, this is some of it.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:52 PM   #173
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Great work on the seat, I wasn't aware you did your own leather tooling.
Can't wait for paint!

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Old 11-02-2014, 02:27 AM   #174
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Dan that leather work is hot like fire!

Anything you don't do!?

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Old 11-02-2014, 10:46 AM   #175
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Great answer.
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Old 11-03-2014, 09:27 AM   #176
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lots of cool details

clean'n nice fab-work

full respect for such a outstanding project
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:03 PM   #177
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Please, please please please post a video of this thing running when it's ready...with good quality sound This thread is a real treat, you're a talented man Mr Dan.
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:20 AM   #178
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:20 PM   #179
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:09 PM   #180
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Diggin the paint scheme! Can't wait to see it on the bike.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:20 PM   #181
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Dan,

The paint and work is ridiculously beautiful !! This may be the nicest one yet !!
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:35 PM   #182
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He nailed it again Dan
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