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Old 08-31-2017, 12:27 AM   #1
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Default Shovelhead clutch basket shifting

So everything seems to be fine enough on the old girl but looking her over and get to the trans and notice when i push the clutch pedal (foot clutch, ratchet top, shovelhead) and with the clutch released the basket can shift in and out about 1/4" or the available space created by releasing the discs/plates. Is this normal? Or even close to acceptable?

i am running the big fix but with the flimsy little thin disc that comes with it stock, i didn't get the thicker multi fit black disc. Just for additional info sake. So what do you say about that?
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:54 AM   #2
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Default Re: Shovelhead clutch basket shifting

about normal,....
the bearing cover may need looking at if excessive but they are very sloppy and agricultural to say the least, i'd keep my eye on it but carry on regardless.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:42 AM   #3
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I would imagine that's gonna give you a pretty finicky clutch. I'd throw a ramjet retainer in there and see if I found anything else.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:06 AM   #4
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There is a fix for that and it will be the best money you can spend.Purist will tell you that if your primary is set right the shift won't happen,but it is happening so you need to get this.The "Big Fix" is what you need but really the only part you need from the kit is the bearing retainer plate.It is a bit larger than the hub and keeps the hub from moving when you use the clutch.You used to be able to get just the plate but I can't seem to find it anymore but thats really all you need and it works.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:19 AM   #5
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^^^^ What he said.

Some kits have long rollers too. You really only need the retainer.

The rollers are nice if they fit. I've had more than a handful of cases where the roller diameter was a little too big and I couldn't fit them with the existing hub and shell. Too much work for too little benefit to get the hub or shell ground to fit. Never identified which parts were the wrong size (bearings, hub, shell) but if the latter two are stock . . . then it's the bearings.

Retainer only is about $15. Don't know what the retainer/roller kit goes for.

First pic is retainer. Second shows how it's installed. Should be evident how it keeps shell from walking outboard.

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Old 08-31-2017, 10:44 AM   #6
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Sam nailed it with the RamJet, but there is a downside.If you are running a five stud hub you will only be able to put two retainers on because the plate is made for the three stud,but it will still work.
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+100 on the ramjet.

9 times out of 10, the 'B' setting seems to be the winner.
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:09 PM   #8
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Sam nailed it with the RamJet, but there is a downside.If you are running a five stud hub you will only be able to put two retainers on because the plate is made for the three stud,but it will still work.
I've run a five stud with only two clips for quite some time. Works OK for me.

At one point in the past, I spot-faced a retainer with an end mill to get it just where I wanted it on the five stud hub ;-0

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^^^ This. I have done the same and it can be done with simple hand tools too, but takes time and patience. Dont fat finger it!
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:10 AM   #10
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Ya,I ran it that way also.Just giving a heads up.

I had the whole shootin match in my bike,big fix,ramjet, and it was the best thing that I ever did for that machine.I think just the ramjet would have been enough though.
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Get the "Tamer" kit. It is a little more complicated to install, but nothing to anybody that can install a clutch. It is not made from plastic, which is what wears out on the Ram Jet. Once it is set up, it last until you change the hub or the drum. The Tamer kit comes with a "5th" clutch steel, some shims and a cup. I have had one in my shovel for to long to remember, and it is still working. The Ram Jet, wears out much quicker. Add the full rollers, and it is almost perfect. I think the Tamer is about 60 bucks, and the rollers about the same, unless you can find them cheaper on some other site.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:24 PM   #12
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Default Re: Shovelhead clutch basket shifting

well like i said i already have the big fix long rollers in there, not sure if i mentioned that im running a 5 finger hub.

can anybody point me towards some info on the tamer? i cant seem to find anything other than a purchase, and id like to see how it all comes together and the premise there. i can definitely see the ramjet eventually getting the edge of it burned off by the basket but at 15$ i suppose that could be acceptable as a 20-30k mile wear item.

thanks for all the info, now just a little more and i can make my call on which to buy and get it on the way so i can pick my clutch up off the floor.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:27 PM   #13
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The tamer has been around for a hundred years,its a good product

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Here is the one from Vtwin

http://www.vtwinmfg.com/Instructions/18/18-1112.pdf

This is really the cream of the crop, if you want to run the stock style clutch assembly. Once it is in, it will last for years, and years. The only reason you would need to take it out, would be to get beyond it, for a sprocket or other work. And it takes almost all of the creep out of the clutch, if you have it set up correctly. So, no more "having" to find neutral at the stop signs or lights. Even though, it makes finding it easier too. You just won't need to.
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:33 PM   #16
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so where does the extra steel come into play? is it to take up the open space that would be created by the new center spacer thing? and does it then act as the new friction surface for the discs instead of the basket itself? the parts collection pictures show a new steel but nothing in the above diagrams...... i guess ill figure it all out when it gets here, just trying to keep my head lined up before im fully involved and looking for answers then.
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I got one apart in the shop. Ill shoot some pics and put them here in case you or anyone else is wanting to do the same.
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Yes, correct. The new steel, takes the rear of the basket, allowing the "retainer" to be thicker than the ramjet. And, it is the new surface for the rear clutch plate. You will notice, that the center hole, is larger than the standard steel plate. This is to allow the retainer to have room to hold the basket.

Once you get it, and Jaws post his photos, you should see that it really is not complicated. The hardest part, is getting the shimming done, and that is pretty simple too. It has to be able to spin, but with minimal movement in and out. So, you will "play " with it and the shims(supplied), until it is set. Then, you can forget it until the next time you need to pull the clutch.
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And think about how nice it will be to ride the bike once the clutch starts behaving!

Life is too short for shitty clutch.

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Old 09-04-2017, 05:12 PM   #20
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glad to hear it sounds like i already kinda got it figured. now like you said just finding that optimum shim spacing. also sounds like a good multi functional use for clutch fix and if your basket friction surface starts to get a little shitty theres no concern then for immediate replacement of that either.

my last curiosity on it is what happens for locking down the hub nut? im assuming the shims get locked down underneath the nut? so then does this come with a new lock tab? i dont recall seeing one in the descriptive images.
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