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Old 04-28-2014, 10:57 PM   #1
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Default Major wiring issues on this thing..

So the 78 ironhead, kick/electric...
To start the bike was started before my friend bought it, but kickstarted...
So the wiring looked like it was just spaghetti thrown at it.

So I started from scratch.

Nothing but the brake light circuit works.

Went with bare bones chopper wiring. Headlight (high/low), Brake and running tail light (only thing that works right), Key switch to coil to points, New starter solenoid (I did jump the hot from the battery and she barked like she wanted to start so I know the solenoid and starter motor work, Generator hooked to alternator to the key switch...

What the heck am I missing??

Any help?
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Old 04-28-2014, 11:21 PM   #2
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Default Re: Major wiring issues on this thing..

Wired other bikes the same way and no issue. Double checked all the connecters and lay outs twice...
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:15 AM   #3
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May sound silly, but check your main Ground.
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Yeah that thing looks a little suspect...
I'll try it out after work
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:40 AM   #5
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Jake,
remember this thing is almost 40 years old and brand new quite frankly left a lot to be desired. Ya made a good choice to trash the wiring and start fresh and like Curtis said, make sure the ground is good but, why not pull the generator and starter motor and see what your dealing with, might just need a cleaning up but, I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut ya end up replacing the brushes and/or cleaning up the armatures and ya might have to replace the bushings. Ya might not have to but, a good cleaning damn sure wont hurt anything.

After ya do this, get a spare bat and jump the starter direct, ground bat to frame and hot to starter (pos) stud. if it spins free, then move the hot to the solenoid and make sure the bendex is engaging proper (wouldn't hurt to inspect the gears) with out binding.

Then I'd move on to the charging system, pull, clean, inspect and rebuild if needed the generator, throwing the old regulator as far as I could and replacing it with a solidstate unit (I run the regulator lead directly to the pos on the bat.).

I know this is a lot more work but, would ya rather do this in your shop or, along side of the road at 3 in the morning with out the right tools to do the job?
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Default Re: Major wiring issues on this thing..

Thanks Little D. I heard it kick up and fire but you are right that it should be inspected before road ready. I'll pop back into it this week and see what I can get figured out.
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K, let me know if I can help, D.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:51 PM   #8
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Default Re: Major wiring issues on this thing..

I just rewired my friends 77 ironhead, and this diagram below all works well. I'm kinda surprised your regulator is wired directly to the Ignition switch—maybe that switch burned out?

I've only seen the Ig switch inline between the battery and coil +

…here's the diagram I used:

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I'll take closer look at the diagram I drew up. This helps a lot tho! Thanks man!
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Hey stale, where's the regulator on your diagram?
When I jump to the solenoid it turns but when all hooked up doesn't work. I grounded the headlight and it works. Now just the rest needs to be fixed!!
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Hey stale, where's the regulator on your diagram?
When I jump to the solenoid it turns but when all hooked up doesn't work. I grounded the headlight and it works. Now just the rest needs to be fixed!!
When I look at that diagram I see the Regulator at the top right [with fins]
Solid state, generally mounted on the end of the Generator, single wire to "hot".
But, I drink in the evening....
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Default Re: Major wiring issues on this thing..

I musta had one too many when I looked at it. I thought it was a horn.
Figured out the issue. Its wired right but need that little black box that ups the current voltage from the ignition to the button and back to the starter. Back to the drawing board...
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Jake,
I'm a big fan of simple and for years now, have used Pollack (brand name) ing. switches on builds and fixes, I get them from NAPA. The ones I use have the momentary start position. With these you can do away with the starter button and relay and wire directly from switch to solenoid, less parts=less things that can go bad.
Here I modified Old Stale's drawing a little,

Might be something to think about, D.
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I run bare necessity wiring on my scoots. Here's just a couple I drew up a while bak for ironheads that I use.
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Sorry will only let me do one pic at a time
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I have one for an electric leg too if u wanted to keep the starter.
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Yeah man. Its my friends bike. He would rather have the starter than a kick.
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OK guys. So I tried to wire with the auto style key switch and no start button. No dice. I tried with the other set where a start button would be required and out of curiosity I jumped the wire from the ign bolt to the solenoid. THAT didn't work either. Its a brand new solenoid. Is there an issue there? I have the longer solenoid lug going to the batter, the shorter to the starter motor. Any ideas?
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Make sure ya got a good connection on the bat cables then take a screw driver and arch across the large bat lug to the small one. If that doesnt work, the solenoid is bad or the starter is bad. Remember back when I said to jump the starter to see if it worked? This is why I suggested this so ya know for a fact what works and what doesn't. I know it sounds like more work but, more times than not, it pays off.
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