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Old 05-12-2020, 08:54 AM   #21
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guess I could, I have some days off this week so the plan is to take my parts to the local bike shop and see if they can I.D. them. I looked at some Sifton stuff and did not see the solid lifter that is like what I have. They don't have a website, I guess they are still in business, J&P sells their stuff.

Anyone have thoughts about if these are Hyd lifter tappets with some brand of "solid" kit installed or are they just a solid style lifter? Like I said they do not have the flat area that would line up with the oil hole in the tappet box.
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Old 05-12-2020, 09:59 AM   #22
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Sifton as we know it is no longer in business. V-twin bought the rights to the name and now it's offshore stuff of not-so-awesome quality.

Your lifters are neither solid conversions nor solids...they're a straight hydro unit so far as I can tell.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:55 AM   #23
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no they are solid, if you look at the photos, you will see the one shot with the end/cap removed from the body, That cap is just a plug with an o-ring. Nothing inside, only one part. And the bottom of the lifter body is open to the roller so any oil that gets inside the body would just fall out the bottom.

I do wish I could figure out what brand they are. so thanks for the help.
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:22 AM   #24
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So I took out a catalog. First, what I assumed was evidence of a rubbing pushrod appears to be an oiling galley, so my apologies. Your lifters might be fine.

If you have an S&S kit, I see no indication that it won't play nicely with your other bits and pieces on their site: https://assetcloud.roccommerce.net/f...s_20091121.pdf

Perhaps J&P is just covering their ass.
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Old 05-12-2020, 01:17 PM   #25
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Thanks for looking into this.

At first, I thought they WERE S&S as the style of the pushrod adjustment looks just the same. BUT all of the S&S solid lifter adapters have a tall post extending to the height that a stock Hyd lifter would. In effect, making the complete (now solid) tappet the same height as the stock one. My tappets have just the short plug in them making them much shorter than the stock Hyd tappets or the S&S converted ones, converted to solid, that is.

I can solve all of this by just buying a complete set of S&S solid converting kit. But then I would also have to but a set of stock style tappet housings, you know the outer lifter shell, with the roller. and as you know, that adds up.
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Adjustable Pushrod Kits For 1966-'84 HD Big Twin With Solid Lifter Adapters">




see the black "adapters", they go into the stock tappet shells after removing the hyd unit. If you look at my lifter and see the much shorter "adapter" you can tell that these S&S pushrods would be way too short.

I have not seen any other brand of solid tappet or tappet adapter that is short like mine.
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Old 05-12-2020, 01:28 PM   #27
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See how short the plug/cap is on my tappet? Now maybe my outer tappet shell is longer than a stoc one making up the difference. But I don't think so as you can see in the photo of the tappet box has a tappet in it and that one is "up" all the way and it does not come close to sticking up higher that the top edge of the tappet bot like stock ones do.

So my tappet is too short.... that's what she said.
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i would think they might be an India lifters made in a garbage dump using a copper pot they cook in

you have an open hole in the bottom so the oil drains out -- what
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I'm waiting to find out who made them. I'm in the haven't ever seen that type before.
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i would think they might be an India lifters made in a garbage dump using a copper pot they cook in

you have an open hole in the bottom so the oil drains out -- what

Yes, it is open around the roller, remember these are not hyd so no need for oil in the tappet.
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I'm waiting to find out who made them. I'm in the haven't ever seen that type before.

Me too, I ran into a style that S&S calls "automotive style" lifters and they don't have the "post" that sticks up above the tappet itself, but they are hyd type. If those pushrods that come with that kit are longer than the more typical ones,they may work.
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these are the S&S, notice the tappets do not have the high post area like others. So the pushrods would be longer.
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Have you pulled the cam for a look? Many are marked maybe lifters are of the same manufacturer.
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Old 05-13-2020, 09:17 AM   #35
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Found the lifters. Page 42 & 43 in the pdf mechanical roller tappets. Supposed to be used with Cranes Time-Saver push rods, but those don't look like yours. Maybe yours are a newer or older version.
As a Andrews mostly, some Sifton in the old days, and occasional S&S user I didn't know those parts.

http://www.bigboarv-twin.com/wp-cont...logue-2013.pdf
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joe49 YOU ARE THE MAN! thanks, that does look like them and yes the pushrods are different but I don't have the "quickie" style and these are so I would think they would be a little different.

It sounds right that this would be crane cam stuff as it had a crane cam ignition on it when I bought it.



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Ya, was eating me up not knowing.
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:31 PM   #38
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I thought it would be easy once I found out what I had, now I have to fine them, everyone is "out of stock" It does not look like they make them anymore.. I noticed that was a 2012 catalog you found them in.

Wish me luck, I'm still looking.

And thanks again.
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I didn't mention I heard lots of bad about their harley products not long after they came out. I did have good luck with the automotive cams and hi intensity lifters.
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https://california-motorcycles.shop/...iABEgJOrPD_BwE
These look like yours.
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