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Old 04-25-2020, 07:59 PM   #221
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There are many many GREAT builders here in England who could rebuilt that motor or at least find your problem in minutes IF you opened your eyes and looked for them!...., Bozz from Powerglides for one, now works out of Rye Harleys in East-Sussex, worked shoulder to shoulder with Jerry Branch is probably the Best builder in England,much in demand so lead times are long, There's Biz, Alex at Grizzly's custom Bikes in Folkestone kent, Fred Warr's in London has a few excellent old motor specialist plus the largest assembly of pre 1965 harley parts in England & is the oldest Harley dealer in Europe founded in 1925 !!!, Fred has over 50 tons of parts going back to 1903, all genuine, Jeff at Riversides has been a leader in motor rebuilding for close to 40 years now,.... the list is endless, you need to try a few English forums & meet others here, bloody pointless running to the States for your every need, even I could sort it, I've been building Harleys for over 42 years now including 3 Knuckleheads of my own from the crank up, but being retired & crippled with Arthritis & unable to even walk some days until I get my hip replacements next year I will pass, I have enough to do on my own toys waiting anyway, Just DON'T slag British mechanics off until you actually try them, It's VERY insulting !!
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:26 PM   #222
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in the north east just about everyone knows like in England who are the go to guys

what I cant get is Y you have not had the guy who did the engine WHO BTW knows inexperienced owner may not be able to get the intake correct when the manifold was not installed - < it was incomplete when delivered to you

from magnum explanation about the real guys in England most would be embarrassed that your having this much of an issue and would go someplace else to have it corrected

but maybe I should just but out - its a shame and your handy but your missing something simple - and now your lost and you cant think straight
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:46 PM   #223
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I've not been told to loosen jugs man.
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you may need to loosen the jugs as well all 4 pieces being turned to straighten is a normal thing
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5. If it still leaks, loosen heads and jugs so they may rotate and loosely assembly manifold. Assemble to proper torque specs.
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...This is after checking spigot manifold and adjusting if needed with head and cylinder rotation as needed.
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Old 04-26-2020, 03:11 AM   #224
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how about this just to check?
clean off manifold with solvent(its new so should be clean) and smear car body filler/silicone all over joins (poo it all over)
be a pain to clean off but will seal your leak.
do one side at a time
then you will know
Gov mule told you to loosen barrels(jugs) i read it.
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Old 04-26-2020, 04:10 AM   #225
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There are many many GREAT builders here in England who could rebuilt that motor or at least find your problem in minutes IF you opened your eyes and looked for them!...., Bozz from Powerglides for one, now works out of Rye Harleys in East-Sussex, worked shoulder to shoulder with Jerry Branch is probably the Best builder in England,much in demand so lead times are long, There's Biz, Alex at Grizzly's custom Bikes in Folkestone kent, Fred Warr's in London has a few excellent old motor specialist plus the largest assembly of pre 1965 harley parts in England & is the oldest Harley dealer in Europe founded in 1925 !!!, Fred has over 50 tons of parts going back to 1903, all genuine, Jeff at Riversides has been a leader in motor rebuilding for close to 40 years now,.... the list is endless, you need to try a few English forums & meet others here, bloody pointless running to the States for your every need, even I could sort it, I've been building Harleys for over 42 years now including 3 Knuckleheads of my own from the crank up, but being retired & crippled with Arthritis & unable to even walk some days until I get my hip replacements next year I will pass, I have enough to do on my own toys waiting anyway, Just DON'T slag British mechanics off until you actually try them, It's VERY insulting !!

Pete, you've taken what I meant out of context! I meant I don't know of any myself. I've been speaking with Toshi, who used to work at Riverside I believe. He's going to give me a hand once this shit show dies off. There's plenty of fantastic guys in the UK! I simpyl meant I don't know of any, haven't looked too thoroughly as I can't go anywhere. A friend had a 1000 pounds fine for riding his bike to WORK!

I fully intend to get it looked at by somebody far more able than myself!
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how about this just to check?
clean off manifold with solvent(its new so should be clean) and smear car body filler/silicone all over joins (poo it all over)
be a pain to clean off but will seal your leak.
do one side at a time
then you will know
Gov mule told you to loosen barrels(jugs) i read it.
It's a possibility! I'm going to probably wait and let somebody look at it!

Liam, my apologies . I've not touched it since I moved the heads, porbably won't either, no gaskets and I don't feel comfortable removing jugs to replace gaskets etc. The seals are perfectly flat on face now as well, I did check when I removed the manifold again. I'm clearly missing something, but damned if I can see.
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in the north east just about everyone knows like in England who are the go to guys

what I cant get is Y you have not had the guy who did the engine WHO BTW knows inexperienced owner may not be able to get the intake correct when the manifold was not installed - < it was incomplete when delivered to you

from magnum explanation about the real guys in England most would be embarrassed that your having this much of an issue and would go someplace else to have it corrected

but maybe I should just but out - its a shame and your handy but your missing something simple - and now your lost and you cant think straight
I have gone to him John, I spoke to him numerous times. He said the engine was ran bench tested, heat cycled etc. He suggested a different carb. I've tried 3. I can't do much else when he's in California and I'm in the UK.

I have never once stated i'm skilled, I have a father who's 100X more skilled than myself and he can't find anything either. I changed and removed my O ring mani on my panhead 30 times in the years I owned it without ever having an issue.

That's why I choose not to update, . I've done all I can. The UK is locked down, it may be the same for another 2 months who knows? I'm sure you're all fed up of me, but minus the jugs (Sorry Liam) I've tested, checked, changed the only variables on the engine which have changed since it was running properly.
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Toshi is a good builder, he did some great repair work for me many years ago on a set of 45 cases & did a good job balancing a few cranks at Jeff's old shop in Putney, he will sort it out, I haven't heard anything of him for years, where is he working now days?.... good luck,
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:02 AM   #229
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I cant stop thinking about those looong pipes .
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I have gone to him John, I spoke to him numerous times. He said the engine was ran bench tested, heat cycled etc. He suggested a different carb. I've tried 3. I can't do much else when he's in California and I'm in the UK.

I have never once stated i'm skilled, I have a father who's 100X more skilled than myself and he can't find anything either. I changed and removed my O ring mani on my panhead 30 times in the years I owned it without ever having an issue.

That's why I choose not to update, . I've done all I can. The UK is locked down, it may be the same for another 2 months who knows? I'm sure you're all fed up of me, but minus the jugs (Sorry Liam) I've tested, checked, changed the only variables on the engine which have changed since it was running properly.
everyone feels your pain

and no one is not giving good advise - but no one is in you garage

at this point you need a fresh set of eyes from a guy who has worked on plumber manifolds

we teach in the shop the young guys to walk away do something else on something else

it was easier for the old guys we were around when this stuff was still in daily use and seen everything 10 times at least

give it a few days do something else your not going anyplace anyway
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Toshi is a good builder, he did some great repair work for me many years ago on a set of 45 cases & did a good job balancing a few cranks at Jeff's old shop in Putney, he will sort it out, I haven't heard anything of him for years, where is he working now days?.... good luck,
He was recommended to me by a few friends who get a lot of work done through him.

He's got his own business now called Bell45 Pete. Really good guy.
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everyone feels your pain

and no one is not giving good advise - but no one is in you garage

at this point you need a fresh set of eyes from a guy who has worked on plumber manifolds

we teach in the shop the young guys to walk away do something else on something else

it was easier for the old guys we were around when this stuff was still in daily use and seen everything 10 times at least

give it a few days do something else your not going anyplace anyway
Yep spot on Jon, i'm super thankful for all the help and advice. It's frustrating as hell for me and more for my father who's built far more complex engines from the ground up as he's also scratching his head.

I'll leave it for the time being, I can't go anywhere!
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I cant stop thinking about those looong pipes .
Thanks man! both of the old girls out yesterday enjoying the weather!
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They look good in the sun. Very nice looking E-type. A friend is customizing one with an LS3 in it. He has 2, so I gave him a pass.
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They look good in the sun. Very nice looking E-type. A friend is customizing one with an LS3 in it. He has 2, so I gave him a pass.
Ah wicked! this is a 61! very early one
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Popping the jugs off really is not a big deal. Read your manual, see if I'm lying. You can certainly reinstall the rings and jugs after you replace the base gaskets with fresh ones. You really don't even need any tooling; if you don't own a ring compressor, you can make one from a hose clamp.

Or let's say you're a gambler and you want to just loosen them jugs and leave the base gaskets there as they lay and chance a leak. That's not hard.

You're frustrated because you've done some things incorrectly and done other things twice and three times, and you are still not riding your bike.

You've also gotten a lot of advice. Some of that is due to your own inability to answer questions, some is due to changing answers (you never did post up and tell people your intake actually was leaking a lot), and some is due from well-wishers trying to help you. Posting across several forums is also helping raise both the amount of signal you are getting, but also the noise.

I understand this.

However, the one thing you haven't done is followed all the advice given in one fell swoop. You have apparently diagnosed your problem (an intake leak) which is farther than you've gotten before. Now you just need to solve it. You could start at those jugs. Even if you've thrown in the towel, this is an opportunity to learn. Toshi or Big Jimmy or Stan the Methhead or whoever the fuck works on this next is going to fix whatever fuckup you make on it, so why not educate yourself? Either with loose jugs OR with the heads and intake out of the bike, why not see if you can make them NOT leak? It will teach you a bit about where the parts need to be relative to one another, and the gaskets are already going to be replaced anyway. And if you do it with the jugs loose on the cases, you might get it sealed and consider putting it back together and seeing if you can get it to go down the road.

You asked a lot of people for help, and a lot of people have chimed in. They've helped you diag your issue. I think you owe it to them and to yourself to take a stab at fixing it.

I'm gonna probably back out of this thread at this point, but I think you're giving up at a silly time. Thanks to COVID-19, you have nothing but time to work on this problem. Easy bikes are new. They come with a warranty and unfucked-up parts and a nice man at the dealer who will fix it for you.

You didn't buy an easy bike.
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X 2 on govmule84 comments plus my .02, on this. You have a few times said, ''I got it'' and ''I'm convinced...''. What this has said to me is your not able to learn and take the suggestions and do them. You have fucked yourself into a corner, that you would of avoided by honestly, doing the suggested tests and repairs as relayed to you, you have finally gotten to face your own failure which is to over think this, just do the things you have been suggested, and record what you did and the results. Then you will be able to review and ask for suggestions based on the facts not your memory and adjusted facts. Now get your ass back at it, your wasting use-able time that is available.
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X 2 on govmule84 comments plus my .02, on this. You have a few times said, ''I got it'' and ''I'm convinced...''. What this has said to me is your not able to learn and take the suggestions and do them. You have fucked yourself into a corner, that you would of avoided by honestly, doing the suggested tests and repairs as relayed to you, you have finally gotten to face your own failure which is to over think this, just do the things you have been suggested, and record what you did and the results. Then you will be able to review and ask for suggestions based on the facts not your memory and adjusted facts. Now get your ass back at it, your wasting use-able time that is available.
TEST AND REPAIR AND RECORD RESULTS.
Joe, I'm not the best at documenting, but I've done EVERYTHING that has been suggested here minus the jugs, the bike is going to be looked over by a chap in London on Wednesday. As I've mentioned, I have my father luckily who's far more experienced than me, more like yoursevels. He's also at a dead loss. It's going to safe hands, who will hopefully swiftly fix her up!
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I shop tip on the jugs - over the many years and animals that are very strong have more then likely had hands in this

if you do attempt to pull the jugs keep this in mind - the nuts more then likely have been over tightened - this will collapse the jug base just enough to Not allow the jug to move in any direction

we always put a drill bit through the jug bottom and see if its got some play for the bit - if not we run the bit that its the area that is not crushed and drill it out

this will give you the help with needed turning of the jugs and head slack - just a thought your going to have them off check it
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I shop tip on the jugs - over the many years and animals that are very strong have more then likely had hands in this

if you do attempt to pull the jugs keep this in mind - the nuts more then likely have been over tightened - this will collapse the jug base just enough to Not allow the jug to move in any direction

we always put a drill bit through the jug bottom and see if its got some play for the bit - if not we run the bit that its the area that is not crushed and drill it out

this will give you the help with needed turning of the jugs and head slack - just a thought your going to have them off check it
The bike is going to Toshi on Wednesday. He's going to be looking over it. He knows where it currently is, as Pete mentioned, he's very good and has a lot of experience. Hopefully get this ironed out, give me a a slap for what I've missed and then I can continue to put 10's of thousand of miles on it happily!
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