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Old 02-07-2019, 06:15 AM   #181
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Ever thought about running these tanks? i know the quality is great.

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Old 02-07-2019, 06:17 AM   #182
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these rock too

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Old 02-07-2019, 12:25 PM   #183
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Why i never thought of converting mine? ill never know but now i want to. i have two old clausings, do you know if they make kits to convert them?
My brother (high-end medical equipment mechanic) turned me on to how easy and cost effective it is to use a VFD and keep the original 3P motor.

About ten years ago I had just spent hundreds of dollars and much hassle pulling 6-3 armored cable across a 100ft workshop to hookup my Bridgeport when he asked me "what the fuck are you doing? A VFD costs $100 and you can use the subpanel you have in your workroom that is only 12ft away."

He was right, as always.

No kit is really needed. You need only . . .

* open the wiring cover on the 3P motor

* connect three motor leads to the three output terminals on the VFD

* connect the 120V (hot, neutral) or the 240V (hot, hot) to the input terminals on the VFD

You can control the motor start, stop, direction, and speed from the VFD panel or you can make an operator station in the original location. The control terminals on the VFD are all low voltage control signal stuff like you'd use on a furnace or doorbell. Stone simple.

Do your motor calculation to understand the size of the circuit you'll need. The VFD comes with this info neatly prepared in the instructions.

For my lathe . . . 3/4hp 3P motor requires 8A from 120V source. 15A circuit with 14g wire will do. Surprised me, I must say. I am setting this up as a dedicated motor circuit with nothing else on the line.

BIG DISCLAIMER: I am not an electrician nor do I pretend to be. Do your homework with respect to safety and legality.

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Old 02-07-2019, 01:11 PM   #184
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My buddy just did this same thing, and he has a controller that's actually a Bluetooth unit, meaning the operation station is literally a box that's held to the tool with Velcro. Could not have been easier.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:17 AM   #185
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Now for something different.....




My heads are in Purgatory. I may not see them for months. Thats a story for another time.


Meanwhile, I go see the engine builder and harass him about getting the short block looked over. My first contact was in late Nov/early Dec. Was told try back in early Feb. They moved the shop and are now back at it. Visited yesterday and was told to bring it in in 2 weeks. Yea !


So without Pan heads, I gotta do something else or Sally sits. Again. Riding her on the lift doing "Vroom Vroom" noises with a fan blowing my hair aint getting it no more.




Solution...PanShovel. Purist will groan, but I wanna ride.


I have a complete '66 top end on its way. Appears factory and pistons are @ .010 over. Could be a great score or a hidden nightmare. We'll see.


Good news is '63 cases have outside oiling. Easy enough to lube the rockers. Anyone have a pic of a nice oil line set up for this ? Since right case has oil fitting in between cylinders Im thinking "Y" pipe to cross over fittings and welding rear rockerbox feed fitting. Speaking of oiling, I most likely will run a S&S shovel pump. If I stay solid lifters its a bolt on. I prefer hydro and will have to have a passage drilled. I have no idea if Pan pushrods are cool or if I gotta get Shovel sticks.






So I humbly ask the resident experts of Jockey Journal to guide me thru the process. Opinions are welcome if you can back it up with personal experience. If you have done the conversion, please respond with the "Do's and Dont's". Research tells me the mid/late70's heads would be better, but this is what we have to work with.


Let the games begin.
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:49 PM   #186
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Did someone say games ?


This game is called "WTF ?".


Engine out of frame. Fairly simple. One thing I didnt notice until I had it on the stand was this under the genny.







The good news is the drain plug is a sawed off bolt. Sheesh.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:53 AM   #187
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Common. Question is was it bolted up to the frame with no shims? Yes means that maybe the frame was used to jig and the frame is bent also.
Bolt for timing hole is better than a pipe plug, which can lead too cracking the case if over tightened.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:54 AM   #188
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Fuck, that's bad. Does it set like that in the frame?
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:18 PM   #189
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Shimmed. 3 pieces of thin sheet tucked in front of bolt. I dont think it suc=h a big deal. Weld some fill and plane it flat. If i could fine a steel wedge about 2-3 degrees I would tack it onto frame.


No problem , timing plug is stripped and silly coned in.





Anyone wanna chime in on the Shovel top ?
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I had to make a 3/8 spacer for the rear mount on my pan..
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:30 PM   #191
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> Anyone wanna chime in on the Shovel top ?

You probably deserve a beating, but not for wanting to get your damn bike on the road. Go ahead and do it! Not quite free, but cheap. Damn near ready-to-wear. Some vague notional performance/reliability improvement. Pan/shovels look fine. The combination has long since become a classic in its own right. I can't think of more arguments in favor, but they almost certainly exist.
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:59 PM   #192
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> Anyone wanna chime in on the Shovel top ?

You probably deserve a beating, .

I knew that was coming. Thanks for getting it out of the way.




PanShov assumptions....


Shovel Base Gaskets
Shovel Pushrods
Shovel Intake to match heads








Im plowing thru a ton of internet discussions about P/S conversions but no real recipe for success. I may have to nit-pick every thread on JJ to find it.
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I had to make a 3/8 spacer for the rear mount on my pan..



That would be awesome. This snaggle-tooth starts mid-way at bolt hole making a shim/spacer a bit different.
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If it was 3 years newer it would already have them. Heads I mean, shovelheads.
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Old 02-26-2019, 05:42 PM   #195
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Shimmed. 3 pieces of thin sheet tucked in front of bolt. I dont think it suc=h a big deal. Weld some fill and plane it flat. If i could fine a steel wedge about 2-3 degrees I would tack it onto frame.


No problem , timing plug is stripped and silly coned in.





Anyone wanna chime in on the Shovel top ?
I can go one better, I had a tapered plug in my pan, overtightened so much the fucker almost burst my left case.

It seems the chap before me decided it needed 50 lbs of torque on it to match some of the torques holding the fucking flywheels in. Broke my heart.

Pan shovels are great, benefits outweigh the negatives, as long as you do it right. Two of my friends have converted theirs, sweet as a nut.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:18 PM   #196
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Ever thought about running these tanks? i know the quality is great.

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In an effort to answer ALL questions....




Yes, I have considered damn near every tank known to man. I do plan on running speedo(hehe) so splitty Bobs it is.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:36 PM   #197
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Shovel top in hand on Fri out to machine shop Sat.


List of shit to have done:


1. One spark plug Heli-coil coming out, new insert going in
2. One exhaust guide cracked, all new guides going in.
3. New valves/springs for every hole (hehe).
4 New rocker bushings and related hardware.
5 Crusty Rockerboxes getting the Shinola
6. Crusty jugs (No, Grandma. Not you) getting the clean/paint combo.
7. Fresh pistons/bore job.


Nothing else to report, back to what you where doing.






PORN:












Thats the spot where the jug hit the head during shipping.


People, if your gonna ship heavy, semi-fragile parts, then please PLEASE label the box as "HEAVY" and "FRAGILE" and pack it like a fucking heirloom. The box has signs of an "Oh shit, that"s heavy" crease that looked like the Cat in the Hat lid.
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That's going to need dressing Jason or you're going to get gasket failing there pretty sharpish!
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That's going to need dressing Jason or you're going to get gasket failing there pretty sharpish!

Of Course. And stop calling me Shirley.
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Im a little confused about lifter blocks for PanShovel.


Parts book list different blocks. 65 down versus 66 up. Pushrods are different also. Same lifters either way. Some aftermarket vendors are listing blocks that cover Pan or Shovel. I know there is some differences in pushrod tubes as well. I assume thats due to length to head/rocker arms.






The question is this....


Can Pan blocks be used with Shovel heads ? If Shovel blocks are used on Pan bottom will there be oiling issues to be sorted ?


Most of this Top Swap is rudimentary. Correct oiling is priority. Toss into the mix of an S&S oil pump possibility.




Answers are eagerly awaited.
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