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Old 08-22-2015, 08:22 PM   #1
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Hello Friends, Well, Im Patrick from Argentina. I had another build here in the Jockey Journal that was about my first bike/first build ( https://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=94985 )
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Well, if you read my other thread youll find out that i had no idea what i was doing, and at first i went into a "Rigid Racer" set up, then crashed the bike against a house, took out the damn suicidal girder and the build turned into a more "chopper/bobber" thing, I felt bad because i loved how the bike looked before the crash, so i had another Gilera that i bought for parts laying around in my garage, being bored about having a finished bike, decided to make another rigid racer style bike.

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Old 08-22-2015, 08:27 PM   #2
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Both Wheels are 19" once the bike was on the floor i realized the girder had a negative rake, and i didn't liked the stance of the bike, so had to do new lower rockers to fix the problem, heres the "before" stance and one of the rear engine brackets
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:31 PM   #3
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Here is with the new longer lower rockers, stance is much better and more pleasant for the eyes, that was driving me nuts.
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Made some bars to move the bike around the shop
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:36 PM   #4
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Started to do the seat in sheet metal, is a little different from the cardboard mock up
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with a fairing, but i dont believe im using it on the bike.
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:39 PM   #5
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Today i finished the tank, is the same tank of the other photos but cut on the top to match the frame and seat line, I decided to make a mini split tank
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This is how its looking today, i finished the tanks brakets and bungs but i didnt take pictures. Hope you guys like it!
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...en esta última foto es donde se ve bien parada.
El guardabarro trasero va a ir reforzado? por la vibración, digo.


-Capaz a fin de año termino de armar mi proyecto y pensaba ir hasta BA en la moto (ya he ido con mi 48 500)
por qué zona estás? se podría pasar?

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...en esta última foto es donde se ve bien parada.
El guardabarro trasero va a ir reforzado? por la vibración, digo.


-Capaz a fin de año termino de armar mi proyecto y pensaba ir hasta BA en la moto (ya he ido con mi 48 500)
por qué zona estás? se podría pasar?

Gracias
Hola !! Si va un guardabarro abajo de eso, igualmente tengo que ver si queda firme, sino agregar alguna parte estructural. Estoy en San Martin, Chiflame y te venis, abrazo!!
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Old 08-22-2015, 09:18 PM   #8
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Sweet Gilera.I like the fairing myself
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Oh boy, another one to watch from path thirteen.
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Old 08-23-2015, 02:47 AM   #10
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Hey Path13, good to see you back. Nice frame, so you are going to give the girder another go huh? Maybe with heavier springs it will be better/safer for braking ect.

Nice work so far keep it up, I really enjoy odd-ball builds.

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Looks great!
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Sweet Gilera.I like the fairing myself
Thanks!!

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Hello JAWS!! the girder revenge !

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Hey Path13, good to see you back. Nice frame, so you are going to give the girder another go huh? Maybe with heavier springs it will be better/safer for braking ect.


Nice work so far keep it up, I really enjoy odd-ball builds.

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Hello man, good to see you too, thanks, yes im gonna use the girder again, i where studying some girders, and im gonna use a friction damper, and maybe other coils to pull from the upper tree to the bottom tree, like the old BSA girders, Im not sure about the main sprint as it is a biconical spring and the attachment to the lower tree is very weird, but hope to find out a way to make it less dangerous.

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Old 08-25-2015, 06:30 PM   #14
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Today i trimmed the tail of the bike to match the radius of the wheel, and started to make the bottom of the seat to hide all the electronic stuff there, also changed the rear tire to one with the same size as the one im going to use there. For me now it looks way better with the tail trimmed. Hope you guys like it.

Im not good with metalshaping as i never did anything before, just some minor stuff, so if anyone have some tips or critics, all are welcome.

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Looks good, keep going at it!

I have an old side valve BSA girder if you need some details and pictures let me know.

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It looks great, and I'm looking forward to following your build, BUT (and I hate saying this) you got the trail thing messed up. Longer lower rockers gives you less, not more trail. Sure the stance looks way better in the last photo, with the frontwheel kicked out a bit, but you really should have done it by putting the frame back in the jig and moving the headstock out a couple of degrees.
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Looks good, keep going at it!

I have an old side valve BSA girder if you need some details and pictures let me know.

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Hey Lester, thanks man, send me some pictures if you have!!
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It looks great, and I'm looking forward to following your build, BUT (and I hate saying this) you got the trail thing messed up. Longer lower rockers gives you less, not more trail. Sure the stance looks way better in the last photo, with the frontwheel kicked out a bit, but you really should have done it by putting the frame back in the jig and moving the headstock out a couple of degrees.
Thanks Rasmussen! im glad you like the build. Why you hate to say that, man thats why i love to post my build here, because i was unaware of this, i knew there was some kind of problem but did not thought really much about this, now you mentioned it, i was trying to avoid to cut the headstock because its a pain in the ass, i used less rake than i used in my other frame, and by that time i used the same forks but never realized that couple of negative degrees rake this fork has, Now, if you can help me to figure out how to fix this issue i whould apreciate that.

This was the same forks on my previous build, it had more rake on the headstock
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measured from the headstock to the centerline of the wheel it has 4.7 cm, less than 2 inches of trail, but measured from the center of the forks gives me about about 5 inches of trail

i was thinking to redo the forks with tubes , what if i slanted it a bit foward to keep the wheel out and just put the original lower rocker to keep the girder with his original geometry, just like a springer should do with longer rockers, or to fit the same long rockers on the top? also i can cut the length of the fork a little bit about 2 inches, or extend it ?
Sorry im really lost here, worst case scenario i should cut the headstock that is a pain in the ass, but it has to be done.
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Hi PT. Glad you took it the way it was meant, not like I was trying to be an ass
I can see you definitely know how to measure trail. The trail is what you've got at the blue marking in the bottom of the photo, marked 47 (suppose that is mm's?)
I was wrong, sorry about that, you do have trail. I did my best to measure it on your previous photo, and got it to be negative, my bad.
Still 47 mm's or less than 2" is a bit to little imo. I have about the same amount on my BSA. It'll run just fine, but when I hit the front brake the girder "dips", and the trail is lessened enough to make the front end quite lively. I regret not having taken the time to make it right when building my frame. Today I would have aimed for at least 3", or better yet 4, well live and learn.
If you were building a chopper I would have suggested a 21" frontwheel. I went from 18 to 21, and that helped a bit
I can understand if you want to try it out first, and maybe correct it later if there's a problem. Putting the longer links on top, and the shorter in the bottom would probably do the trick.
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Hi PT. Glad you took it the way it was meant, not like I was trying to be an ass
I can see you definitely know how to measure trail. The trail is what you've got at the blue marking in the bottom of the photo, marked 47 (suppose that is mm's?)
I was wrong, sorry about that, you do have trail. I did my best to measure it on your previous photo, and got it to be negative, my bad.
Still 47 mm's or less than 2" is a bit to little imo. I have about the same amount on my BSA. It'll run just fine, but when I hit the front brake the girder "dips", and the trail is lessened enough to make the front end quite lively. I regret not having taken the time to make it right when building my frame. Today I would have aimed for at least 3", or better yet 4, well live and learn.
If you were building a chopper I would have suggested a 21" front wheel. I went from 18 to 21, and that helped a bit
I can understand if you want to try it out first, and maybe correct it later if there's a problem. Putting the longer links on top, and the shorter in the bottom would probably do the trick.
Haha, of course man, im just an amateur builder and i freaked out when you pointed that, but ill never take that as you being an ass, you where trying to help! now knowing that is fine im fine too!! but i still know having not same length rockers can cause problem, ill see how i fix that, anyways this is more like a "drag" motorcycle so im not concern much in cornering, and its a piece of shit and slow engine so i don't believe ill have much wheel flop, im gonna test it like this then see if i change something, im mocking all the bike so i can change anything later. Thanks helping with this!! Have a nice day, and show me some pics of your BSA!! Look for me on facebook or Instagram if you want.
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Remarkable bike-in-progress! Is that a 250cc Lodola engine?
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Remarkable bike-in-progress! Is that a 250cc Lodola engine?
Hello Ratso. Close! It's a Gilera 210
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Today I made the rear wheel adjusters and chain tensioner, So for the first time its rolling, Heres some pictures of me on the bike, yes its a very small bike. and some other pictures in a less busy place as the shop is full of shit.
Next step is to make the rear sets and define the exhaust.

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Almost finished the Rear Sets, Started to design on monday, so it took a shitload of time. at least by designing firts and then fabricating then was a big time saver, i learned to first think then grind, saves lots of time and raw material, i used brass bushing from a starter, i just could use a ball bearing but i had those from my Ford starter so i just used what i had. Still not finished, i need to keep filling and kill all those square borders on the lever, and some form correction to the main plate.

Hope you guys like it!

If someone wants to use the design, i can send the cad file!

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How close it the fender to the tire? The center looks like it has enough for growth, the sides where it tapers looks like it could shave.

You'll find the rear controls will be more positioned down pedal wise. Rather than flat like the mids or up like forwards. Prolly not set up yet though, right?
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How close it the fender to the tire? The center looks like it has enough for growth, the sides where it tapers looks like it could shave.

You'll find the rear controls will be more positioned down pedal wise. Rather than flat like the mids or up like forwards. Prolly not set up yet though, right?
Howdy Jaws! Yes, there's enough clearance, at least with this fucked up, old, petrified and deformed tire, that has almost no centered part (it was on a bike for about 20 years, so the part that remained on the floor for 20 years makes a funny S and then it goes straight again, i don't know how to explain this. the sides are tight, i think ill have to shave a little off the fender or open it up a little and make it a little wider.
Funny thing about this tire it took me about an hour to put in on the rim haha the tube was impossible to fit, and i punctured the tube when fucking hammering that fucker to make it go in the rim, but without air still holding the bike weight and mine no more flats (?)
And yes, you are right about the rear sets, but that was the only way i could put a vise grip(is not a vise grip is like an U with a screw to adjust things together, don't know the name in english, tried to google it but had no luck this time) to stick it to the bike and take the photo, but.. now i realize that pedal not gonna work, i think ill just have to make a "rod" also more easy to set up in any position the lever goes! So... Thanks again man!

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Made this manifold last week, just forgot to upload it here
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You forgot to up load it again... Lets see it. Nice work so fra!
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I think the word you're looking for is C-clamp, and I too am enjoying your work. Thanks for posting
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How close it the fender to the tire? The center looks like it has enough for growth, the sides where it tapers looks like it could shave.

You'll find the rear controls will be more positioned down pedal wise. Rather than flat like the mids or up like forwards. Prolly not set up yet though, right?
I took some pictures for you, JAWS, i checked again and theres a reasonable amount of free space fro growth and the sides are OK, even with this fucked up tire it doesn't grind at all.
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I think the word you're looking for is C-clamp, and I too am enjoying your work. Thanks for posting
Yes Sir, i was so burn out that day and couldnt figure out how it could be named, it was easy! Thanks!
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Well, finally i could attach the rearsets to the bike, i need to file down all the borders and polish everything, but i need to move on to other stuff, i did the rearsets because based on the legs position stops me from doing the exhaust, which im doing tomorrow, gonna use a cocktail shaker/triumph muffler almost side by side with the engine. lets see what happens!

Hope to finish this bike before october 8(yeah i know im fucked up), there's gonna be a big classic car show, bikes and swap meet, its the biggest show in latin american, and i want to sell this bike as now I am unemployed and my wife too, so... i need to buy some plane tickets to move from this shit hole and search for a better life somewhere else!

btw, the bike is not comfortable at all ha!
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Awesome fab work
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I really like where this is going.
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Great fab work...I like the tank and fender
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Clamp the controls where they will live and put the bike on the ground. Now lean it over as far as it will go. See what I see?
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Clamp the controls where they will live and put the bike on the ground. Now lean it over as far as it will go. See what I see?
Hello dear JAWS! yes, i took a picture for you, i couldn't put the bike on the floor because i was working with the exhaust today, but made this, hope it works for you to see, i don't see any problem there, at least im not going to do motoGP on this shit, so i think its ok, buuuuuuuuuuuut tell me what do you thing, i really appreciate you help!

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Today i went to pick up the exhaust a friend made for me, its a triumph replica so i started to figure out where to place it. this is the result, tomorrow i have to fabricate the exhaust finned flange from a chunk of aluminum and a heat shield to prevent getting burned with the damn thing. Hope you guys like how its coming together-


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You are hand fabbing stuff. Move your pedal mount to a real flat mounting surface instead of the frame tube, higher. Have your buddy sit on it again and get like he is shifting or breaking at the full range, then take your pictures. You will find I'm afraid that you can't move the levers and you won't be able to have feet with toes.

Think hard on this one. A rock or any real obsticle in the path of the bike could cause injury or a wreck. The controls should be a fluid thing, a movement that is like breathing, without thought. Interrupted, they can be real distractions from what needs attention, Iike vision of the road ahead.
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You are hand fabbing stuff. Move your pedal mount to a real flat mounting surface instead of the frame tube, higher. Have your buddy sit on it again and get like he is shifting or breaking at the full range, then take your pictures. You will find I'm afraid that you can't move the levers and you won't be able to have feet with toes.

Think hard on this one. A rock or any real obsticle in the path of the bike could cause injury or a wreck. The controls should be a fluid thing, a movement that is like breathing, without thought. Interrupted, they can be real distractions from what needs attention, Iike vision of the road ahead.
Yes, Its true, i guess ill have to move the rearsets back, near the axle ,ill try what you said tomorrow, but i realize the danger of that, shiiiiiiiiit, you are the man JAWS! thanks brother!
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JAWS, you where right! That was very dangerous!
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so i moved the rearsets closer to the axle
Here's the original position on the left and the new position on the right, now my toes keep at the same height as the lower tube of the frame. Thanks your sharp eye brother.
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Today i moved the rearsets (thanks JAWS for the safety advice)
and cleaned all the weldings on the exhaust, also made the heat shield. Now i need to make the finned exhaust flange
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Good call Jaws. I like the exhaust, would be nice to see a curved heat sheild, I 've made a couple out of slightly bigger diameter pipe, drill a bunch of holes ect. A bit more work but they look nice in the end. I know you are on a tight scheduel so leave ot for last if you go that rout.

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Good call Jaws. I like the exhaust, would be nice to see a curved heat sheild, I 've made a couple out of slightly bigger diameter pipe, drill a bunch of holes ect. A bit more work but they look nice in the end. I know you are on a tight scheduel so leave ot for last if you go that rout.

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Hello Lester! Im doing the shield on the only part of the exhaust that reaches my leg, Maybe for aesthetics is better do a full shield, but im trying to keep the bike simple and clean so for me that small shield works!
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Hello !!
As i moved the rearsets waaaaaaaay back, i needed to move the handlebar foward for better driving position. I wanted to do something different, but keeping the "drag bike" look on the bars.

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This is how the handlebar attaches to the three, only the first one is tacked in place, the others are loose, i need to weld em with the mig.
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This is a connection between the two bars, also i used it to route the cables so they dont touch the girder
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Once i had the handlebars in place i wanted to do something with the clutch and throttle cables, its kind of a nonsense thing, but i like the final result that was to hide the wires, also the aluminum tube looks better.
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And a last photo how the bike is coming together
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As i was doing the controls yesterday, today i made the bracket to hold the brake plate on the real wheel, had to delete an existing anchor point prior to fit the one i made.
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I removed the rear wheel so i finished the last mount for the rearsets
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The rear brake is cable operated, it is from an old russian motorcycle. pretty small hub and pads, but i think it will do its job, im planing to put a big ass Gilera drum in the front (wich i always believe it was ugly but i think for this bike it fits)
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Had to fab this extension for the lever as that was the only way it can pull the cable, i thought about converting the cable to a regular rod and lever but i think is too much work, and for what i feel today on the bike it stops fine.
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I took my camera to the shop to take some better quality shots of the bike.

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Looking real good. Though I think that extension off your brake pedal is going to give you trouble. More pictures.
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Hello Lester! Im doing the shield on the only part of the exhaust that reaches my leg, Maybe for aesthetics is better do a full shield, but im trying to keep the bike simple and clean so for me that small shield works!
Sorry Path I was unclear..... No need for full shield.... I meant to cut out the shield of a piece of pipe the same size you have now... just to get a curve on it following the exhaust pipe but bigger diameter. Yes aesthetics only.

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Looking real good. Though I think that extension off your brake pedal is going to give you trouble. More pictures.
Well, yes, i tested the bike on the floor and that hub was a piece of shit, also i didn't like the cable feel on the break, it feels like it squeezes but it nevers stops. so today i threw away that shitty hub and put another one i had, like the one i have on my other gilera in the front and it really stops. Check the pictures i'm about to upload!

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Sorry Path I was unclear..... No need for full shield.... I meant to cut out the shield of a piece of pipe the same size you have now... just to get a curve on it following the exhaust pipe but bigger diameter. Yes aesthetics only.

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Allright Lester, I see what you say, if i have the time to do it before i have my deadline for drop things on the plater, ill do something like you say. For now on, as i went backwards with some things on the bike it may remain as it is now, funtional but not pretty haha. thanks for your comment man!
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Well, today did a test rolling the bike with the rear brake and i wasn't happy at all, shitty brake power and the damn cable gave me the feel i had a bungee cord instead a steel cable, so i got rid of that damn russian hub and instead used a sachs (german) i had laying arround, i used this same hub on the front of my other gilera build and it stops and works fine, knowing this, and without will of fighting this other hub to make it brake decently, i started all over.
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Made a very short bent rod, cut some threads on the en for the adjuster, and on the lever side, instead of having this super long rod to pull the cable i used a shorter round axle where the rod pivots freely.
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Also made a two position end of travel for the lever on the rearsets.
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once i had the brakes finished i made on the lathe the wheel spacers.
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I need to put the other tire on the rear wheel as this one is tiny and makes the bike looks weird, theres a chainguard i have, thinking in fitting this maybe. whay do you guys think ? or maybe im going to make one in aluminum.
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Looking sweet Path, great fab work. Are you going to machine and weld "caps" to the tube ends of your hard tail tubes? Or leave then as is. Regarding the heat shield, you can make it out of stainless and polish it youself.
Cant wait to see the tins done. Keep up the hard work.

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Well. Killed the damn girder fork. As it was bent and reinforced after the crash. But looked like shit so started to make one from scratch using the original yokes. Also moved the lower yoke a little to the back so i can correct the negative angle of the fork and use same rocker length.
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Hubs painted, and polished. Ready to put new rims. I may use some aluminum rims to match all the other aluminum details
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Looking sweet Path, great fab work. Are you going to machine and weld "caps" to the tube ends of your hard tail tubes? Or leave then as is. Regarding the heat shield, you can make it out of stainless and polish it youself.
Cant wait to see the tins done. Keep up the hard work.

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Hey lester, Yes im gonna cut the tubes and i think ill make a slant cut then make a "cap" to weld on it!
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A scratch built girder, thats fuckin awsome!
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Do you really like the rear fender thing?
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You really need to revisit your rear brake linkage again. That thin, bent, push rod set up will fold like a weak poker hand when you really need it to work. Not a good design there. I'm liking most of what you're doing though.
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You really need to revisit your rear brake linkage again. That thin, bent, push rod set up will fold like a weak poker hand when you really need it to work. Not a good design there.

I completely agree. Gussets or something. That's going to be like using a piece of spaghetti when you slam it hard in a panic stop. Your pushrod needs to be straight inline with the levers. Meaning they, the levers, need to be inline with eachother also.

I would make a secondary bracket and lever with a pivot on the other side of the tube where your foot peg mounts. Mirror your lever and mount, minus the peg and brake pedal.
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Connect the two with a bolt, a long one with a tube spacer and sandwich a new linkage rod thingy next to the inside lever. Run that straight back to the lever on the brake.

Or make a new setup where your pedal moves a lever inline with the brake lever on the drum. That would be cooler for sure and more complicated, but more rewarding.
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I think if your brake rod linkage was straight, and you had a shaft maybe 14mm diameter , 50mm long and drilled and tapped from both ends. Bolt it to the inside of your foot lever where the linkage is bolted now, then bolt the straight linkage into the other end of the 14mm shaft and the levers would be in effect inline like Jaws is saying. The whole lever brake pedal assembly looks really cool and well done btw, that's why I would keep what you have and basically make a jack shaft to move the position over.
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Wait a minute, is that drum mounted backwards? Usually you push the brake pedal down on a manual drum it PULLS the lever on the drum, not pushes it like yours is going to. Maybe not an issue but if it IS mount backwards the drum will be spinning in the opposite direction in relation to the shoes than intended. The whole shoe assembly could come apart inside the drum, maybe?
I guess my point is on the farm I grew up on we had a couple of Farmall 300 M tractors, while they had adequate brakes rolling forward, they were a death trap if you let them go backwards over a hill. If that drum is spinning in the wrong direction you may have shitty brakes going forward.
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Hello jaws, yes of course i like it, you dont?

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You really need to revisit your rear brake linkage again. That thin, bent, push rod set up will fold like a weak poker hand when you really need it to work. Not a good design there. I'm liking most of what you're doing though.
Thanks, I really tested it, put almost all my body weight to see if it will snap and it didnt, not even got bent or something, i think before the linkage will snap it whould rip the aluminum on the rearset lever, but for what i tested, it holds up good. i didnt like neither to have this bent rod, but it was the only way i found to make it work, keep in mind this is a very small and light motorcycle, this rod is about 4 inches long, so its pretty tough besides it looks like not.

[quote=JAWS;1738273]I completely agree. Gussets or something. That's going to be like using a piece of spaghetti when you slam it hard in a panic stop. Your pushrod needs to be straight inline with the levers. Meaning they, the levers, need to be inline with eachother also.

Hello again jaws !!

Read my answer to WhizzbangK.C, i tested this once i finished it, i got rid of the cable driven thing because is was really shitty set up. the lever position can be adjusted to match the rearset level as the lever on the hub has an square hole so theres only 4 positions to choose.



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Connect the two with a bolt, a long one with a tube spacer and sandwich a new linkage rod thingy next to the inside lever. Run that straight back to the lever on the brake.

Or make a new setup where your pedal moves a lever inline with the brake lever on the drum. That would be cooler for sure and more complicated, but more rewarding.
I whould love to make something like that, but, as I am very complicated with the times to finish this bike, thats gonna be the final version of the linkage, maybe if i have some spare time before i finish the bike ill make something like you suggested, if not, its a very cool idea for a next build!

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I think if your brake rod linkage was straight, and you had a shaft maybe 14mm diameter , 50mm long and drilled and tapped from both ends. Bolt it to the inside of your foot lever where the linkage is bolted now, then bolt the straight linkage into the other end of the 14mm shaft and the levers would be in effect inline like Jaws is saying. The whole lever brake pedal assembly looks really cool and well done btw, that's why I would keep what you have and basically make a jack shaft to move the position over.
Thanks for the advise, I really appreciate it. but it sounds like the same i did with the previous cable driven set up and, but just with a rod instead of pulling a cable. that setup was not good at all, also was very rough on the lever as the forces that pulled from the rod was making the lever want to twist it, hard on the bushing too. this was the only way i found to make it work, and it works very well too!

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Wait a minute, is that drum mounted backwards? Usually you push the brake pedal down on a manual drum it PULLS the lever on the drum, not pushes it like yours is going to. Maybe not an issue but if it IS mount backwards the drum will be spinning in the opposite direction in relation to the shoes than intended. The whole shoe assembly could come apart inside the drum, maybe?
I guess my point is on the farm I grew up on we had a couple of Farmall 300 M tractors, while they had adequate brakes rolling forward, they were a death trap if you let them go backwards over a hill. If that drum is spinning in the wrong direction you may have shitty brakes going forward.
Nope, it isnt backwards, is in the same position it goes in the original bike, the only difference is that on the original bike the brake rod pulls and in my setup it push, but i dont see any problem as the brake shoes are expanded the same no matter wich side you crank the lever, heres a picture of a original bike with the same hub im using!
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Okay, thanks for considering my input, and like I said, I really like the foot peg/pedal assembly,thanks for posting all this and have fun with it.
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Make gussets at the very least. Do them with speed holes or something so it looks racey. Make them for the insides of the two bends on the linkage rod. 1\4" or 3\16" plate steel or metric equivalent laid horizontal. Something to keep that from collapsing...cause it will.
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Make gussets at the very least. Do them with speed holes or something so it looks racey. Make them for the insides of the two bends on the linkage rod. 1\4" or 3\16" plate steel or metric equivalent laid horizontal. Something to keep that from collapsing...cause it will.
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Okay, thanks for considering my input, and like I said, I really like the foot peg/pedal assembly,thanks for posting all this and have fun with it.
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Make gussets at the very least. Do them with speed holes or something so it looks racey. Make them for the insides of the two bends on the linkage rod. 1\4" or 3\16" plate steel or metric equivalent laid horizontal. Something to keep that from collapsing...cause it will.
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Well, after a long time without posting here, i finished the bike, it was a pain in the ass, had to run and work past the midnight almost everyday. painted and prepped the bike myself, had my friend Diego to hand paint the Logo on the tank and the thirteen on the tail. changed the handlebars design as i didnt like the previous version i made, used and old bubble visor to make the windshield, and had to fabricate lot of shit on the go, time got very tight so i couldn't build the engine, but finished all the aesthetics on the bike, it was crazy to finish this bike in a month and a half, this is my second build and i made some mistakes, avoided some of the mistakes i made in the first one, but i have a long long road to keep learning about building bikes, Thanks to the guys, specially jaws and his good eye who helped a lot in mistakes i made, and lester, who always followed the build from the first post.

Ill make another rear brake rod with gussets as i get the bike back from the exhibition, need to start the bike too, just need to throw the clutch and piston in, and wire the generator.
Also i didnt had time to finish the girder from scratch so i found another, but this is a second generation sachs, so its more stronger, not as good looking as the first but now i learned not to chop shit if you have a tight schedule.

Hope the bike sells, as i invest the little savings i had in this, more than a gamble i feel it like a test for myself and my future building bikes.

Hope you guys like how the bike turned out, and thanks for following the build, im going to take better pictures, so keep tuned!!

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Not my style at all, but you can't deny that it looks good. Nice work.
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Congats on the bike! I only followed your build because its interresting and I enjoy your way of thinking out of the box with the odd-balls. I also like the 'why buy it when I might be avle to make it' thing you got going on.... like me! Lol. Best of luck on selling it, hope you get what you want for it.

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It has an old time racer feel to it. To keep up with that look it should have leather straps over the back bone connecting the two tanks. I would think that two leather belts around the tanks would do it too.

Let us know how it rides. You should flog the crap out of it to test all the parts so you can fix it. You don't want it to fail on a the new owner.

Well done.

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Killer work man, I like the way you kept it so narrow and that front end is awesome! How about a few more pics of the upper section of the girder if you have some.
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I love it.
I like the fender, the stance, the whole thing.
I like little bikes that look like they are ready to do the business.
This little guy looks like an angry bee!
I'm not too sure about the push rod on the rear brake, as others have mentioned, but I don't have any good advice! I guess just make sure the front is good & strong!
Very nice work! My congratulations.
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Congats on the bike! I only followed your build because its interresting and I enjoy your way of thinking out of the box with the odd-balls. I also like the 'why buy it when I might be avle to make it' thing you got going on.... like me! Lol. Best of luck on selling it, hope you get what you want for it.

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Thank you Lester, Hope it sells too, now i see it finished is hard to let it go, but i think its part of the game, Im those kind of guys who cant let thing go, i like to stack shit and i dont throw anything away, but... i need a change, thanks for the support my friend!

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It has an old time racer feel to it. To keep up with that look it should have leather straps over the back bone connecting the two tanks. I would think that two leather belts around the tanks would do it too.

Let us know how it rides. You should flog the crap out of it to test all the parts so you can fix it. You don't want it to fail on a the new owner.

Well done.

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JAWS!! Thanks brother for the sharp eye, always. I tought about the leather straps but i think it whould be too much, tanks are super small, but ill try to make something with that idea. Of course ill test it, hope not the way with my first bike haha!! next week ill start building the engine and hopefully ill be able to test it, ill post some videos of it running and getting my balls smashed with that seat haha!!

Next bike? I dont have anymore bikes to build, ill see if i can find something cheap to make another frankestein, Anyways, that questions for me is a blessing coming from you, you made the same question on my first build, so its a good think, ill make you know!!

Thanks my brother!

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Killer work man, I like the way you kept it so narrow and that front end is awesome! How about a few more pics of the upper section of the girder if you have some.
Thanks man, i like narrow bikes, when i was making the handlebars i tought they where too wide, and i was about to chop em a little bit, im glad i didnt do it because it was just the right length to fit the throttle assembly and the levers, im uploading some pictures i took the other day, hope to make another session with more interesting photos, thanks!

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I love it.
I like the fender, the stance, the whole thing.
I like little bikes that look like they are ready to do the business.
This little guy looks like an angry bee!
I'm not too sure about the push rod on the rear brake, as others have mentioned, but I don't have any good advice! I guess just make sure the front is good & strong!
Very nice work! My congratulations.
When are you going to post a video of you riding it?
Thank you so much, i like the angry bee thingy!! it sure looks like that!
The front is a very good brake, now i finished it, and the car/bike show ended, ill make another rod with gussets as the guys here told me, As soon as i get this thing running ill make a video of it riding, Thanks!
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:38 PM   #87
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This is my friend Diego who painted the letterings on the bike
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Ill upload more pictures as soon as can make a decent photo session!

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F`n Sweet !
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I love this bike! A ride doesn't always have to be big in engine size, or stature to be fun.
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