Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help - The Jockey Journal Board

Go Back   The Jockey Journal Board > General Discussion > The Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-29-2018, 11:23 AM   #1
curtisvitoria
Senior Member
 
curtisvitoria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Van Island
Posts: 325
Default Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Just recently bolted up a new Mousetrap on my 50FL, I am running a Primo Pro Clutch set up. I think I have my adjustments fairly close however, I am having trouble with the clutch returning to it's normal position.

I have the proper tension on my clutch push rod adjustment.

I also read I may need a softer pressure plate. Any ideas would be great, thanks!
curtisvitoria is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-29-2018, 12:36 PM   #2
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

For the return, you need strong springs. THat is the reason for the Mousetrap anyway. When they decided to go with a hand clutch, the stiff springs(stock springs for foot clutch) were the failure of the cables and handles, not to mention nobody could do it all day. So, the more spring tension you have, the easier it is to make the mousetrap go back to over center. Which is what you want it to do. Do you have a HD book with the mousetrap setup? If so, read it, so you understand the process. If not, just post your questions on here.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider

Last edited by shovithead; 04-29-2018 at 12:38 PM. Reason: spelinjwuzbid
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2018, 01:00 PM   #3
curtisvitoria
Senior Member
 
curtisvitoria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Van Island
Posts: 325
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Thanks Shovit. I do have the literature (manual) and followed all of the steps. I can get the clutch to disengage nicely with the lever, however the BELL sweeps over and stays put. I does not return to the original position. I have read that the PRIMO Clutch has 3 different pressure plate spring options, and was curious if this may have something to do with it, or maybe a tip as to getting to return.
curtisvitoria is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 04-30-2018, 01:39 PM   #4
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Check your email. shovithead in subject line.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 02:01 PM   #5
hotsos
Senior Member
 
hotsos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tarana ON
Posts: 1,561
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

I had trouble getting mine to work right, but i just kept playing the the mousetrap adjusters and rod adjuster and eventually found the sweet spot, and now its a very easy pull with a satisfying snap back.

I have done it a few times and some times it was easy , but the most recent time it was difficult to tune itno that sweet spot.

Dont give up, just fudge around until it works.
__________________
_____________________________________________
Girl: "What're you rebelling against, Johnny?"
Johnny: "Whaddya got?"
hotsos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 02:38 PM   #6
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotsos View Post
I had trouble getting mine to work right, but i just kept playing the the mousetrap adjusters and rod adjuster and eventually found the sweet spot, and now its a very easy pull with a satisfying snap back.

I have done it a few times and some times it was easy , but the most recent time it was difficult to tune itno that sweet spot.

Dont give up, just fudge around until it works.
I contacted him and told him to increase clutch spring pressure, and install lighter mousetrap spring. He took out one steel, and put a lighter spring on mousetrap and it worked fine. So his is fixed. I am sure you know, but the mousetrap was designed to work with the heavier foot clutch springs. So since the primo clutch was a diaphragm , installing the heavier foot clutch springs was not a option. The lighter mousetrap spring was the answer.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 04:15 PM   #7
hotsos
Senior Member
 
hotsos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tarana ON
Posts: 1,561
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Good to know, i got another one to put together soon, all try the lighter mouestrap spring, where did you find that??
__________________
_____________________________________________
Girl: "What're you rebelling against, Johnny?"
Johnny: "Whaddya got?"
hotsos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 04:32 PM   #8
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

I did not find it. Write curtisvitoria at [email protected]

He was the one that found it. But, I am sure if you have a local hardware store, you can take that one and take it to the store, get one half that diameter of wire, and same length. The clutch should return the clutch arm, and the spring on the mousetrap is supposed to pull back the mousetrap. So, when you try with the OEM spring on the MT, it is to stiff for the diaphragm to work. So, with a lighter pull spring on the MT, it will let the diaphragm pull the smaller spring back. He told me, that he also removed one steel in the clutch basket. I don't know why, so maybe you should write him. Or hit his moniker and PM him. He can explain what HE did, better than I can. I just know how the mousetrap works on OEM stuff.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 08:27 PM   #9
curtisvitoria
Senior Member
 
curtisvitoria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Van Island
Posts: 325
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

I did some reading and found that other guys dropped a steel, I traded a friend springs, as mine was new and his had some wear, with adjusting over and over I got it to work, actually works really good. Thanks to ShovIT for all the information....SOlid CAT!

Took it for a good ride today, first of the season, was a beauty!

Last edited by curtisvitoria; 05-01-2018 at 09:31 PM.
curtisvitoria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 08:47 PM   #10
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

shovIt, not shovel. haha And, I hate CATS....... laugh, it is what I do.......

Most of this stuff, is not in a manual. It is from trial and error. Now, I have never did a MT(mousetrap) with a primo clutch setup. But, I have done MT on a hand clutch setup. It does the same thing, or at least close to it. Thank God, I have a good old OEM parts dept. Other people throw away the old things they don't need. I pick them out of the trash. haha

I started a custom Service Manual, 20 years ago. I call it, "things NOT in the Service manual." It has many things, you can't find in the SM. A lot on custom stuff, like simple wiring, and wiring a 5 pole BT key switch, or a 6 pole key switch. Even schematics on 5 pin relays for a starter system, and adding a turn signal system to a non turn signal bike. And installation of different things, that come with installation papers. That way, if I add something, and do not buy it new, I have the directions. I don't plan on publishing it, just for my use. But I use it every week, or most weeks. I imagine I am not the only one to do it, but I have never heard of anyone doing it. But it is well worth the effort.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider

Last edited by shovithead; 05-01-2018 at 08:50 PM. Reason: titsonaboarhogihatecats
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 02:08 PM   #11
hotsos
Senior Member
 
hotsos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tarana ON
Posts: 1,561
Default

I would love to see your wiring a BT switch info...
__________________
_____________________________________________
Girl: "What're you rebelling against, Johnny?"
Johnny: "Whaddya got?"
hotsos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 03:13 PM   #12
shovithead
Senior Member
 
shovithead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cocoa Florida USA
Posts: 2,485
Default Re: Mousetrap set up with Primo Clutch help

Email in your box, with the scan. Hope it helps. It is NOT a factory wiring design, but my own use of the two switches. A simple ohms meter, can do the same thing, if you want to design your own. Or just ask and I can give you a answer.
__________________
Keep the old Iron on the road....

42 UL long term project
44 Wife and best friend(Keeper for sure)
51 FLH short term project
60 Doc Dytch XLCH Drag only
61 XLCH parts bike
65 XLCH parts bike
66 FLH
68 XLCH parts bike
69 XLH wifies bike
69 XLH daily rider
70 XLH
72 XLH
72 C30 Chevy truck
73 FLH chopper(Shirley the Shovelhead) Daily rider
shovithead is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 AM.