Linkert v S&S

[downunder_pan]

a '56 pan i'm looking to buy comes with either a m74b linkert OR an S&S e carby. cant have both. apparently it starts and runs better with the S&S but my question is which one should I go for and why?

[cody]

linkert

[downunder_pan]

thanks cody. i'm guessing the "why" is a long story?

[yard man]

I like Linkerts. They are simple to tune. Ive ridden with guys who run S&S carbs on there pans, they have problems with starting, idling, and hesitation leaving lights because of enricher problems, and other things i cant even mention that ive just filed under over carburation. Linkerts just work. They aren't the best performance carburetor though unless you do some tinkering with them. The only problem i have is the occasional carb catching fire if its flooded, or the choke slamming shut unexpectedly because the detents are worn. But its easy to start and it does what its supposed to do .

[Lloyd T. 96 pan]

+2 or 3 on the Linkert. You can't beat a linkert for durablity. Keep the pan stock as ya can.

[downunder_pan]

many thanks guys, i'm with you.

[Englishman]

If Linkerts were so great, they'd still be making them.

To hell with stock.

You said it yourself it starts and runs better with the S&S, anyone who has running problems with their Super E simply has not set it up properly.

Hesitation leaving lights because of the enrichener?? Well yeah, it's like leaving the choke on. Only need it for cold starts.

[Larry T]

S&S for running and starting, Linkert for originality.

I'd probably go with the Linkert. You can pick up an S&S anywhere if you decide that's the way you want to go.
Larry T

[Trent]

I run Linkerts on my early stuff. They start just fine and run just fine too, easily tunable, and look tits!

[ralphiejantz]

stockish motor i would go with the linkert

[Cotten]

Originally Posted by Englishman

If Linkerts were so great, they'd still be making them..

You think they ain't, Englishman?

Back to Downunder_Pan's question,
Please consider that the Linkert will always appreciate in value.
A used S&S will never be worth retail again.

And when collecting the machine, be certain to grab everything appropriate for the Linkert, as everything from the manifold to the throttle is different, and getting more expensive every day.

And Larry T!
One kick is one kick, whether it is a Linkert or a piece o' flying saucer.
If your Linkert doesn't start in one kick, fix it.

.....Cotten

[Larry T]

Originally Posted by Cotten

And Larry T!
One kick is one kick, whether it is a Linkert or a piece o' flying saucer.
If your Linkert doesn't start in one kick, fix it.
.....Cotten

Cotten,
Isn't a twist of the wrist easier than a couple of extra primer kicks?
Just saying, all things considered, an accelerator pump is not a bad thing to have.

[JasonMcElroy]

Originally Posted by Englishman

anyone who has running problems with their Super E simply has not set it up properly.

Anyone who has running problems with their Linkert simply has not set it up properly.

Both statements are true.

Originally Posted by Englishman

If Linkerts were so great, they'd still be making them.

If Linkerts were cheaper to make on a factory production line, they'd still be making them.

By your theorem, panheads and pre-unit Triumphs also suck? Vincents? Indians?

Jason

[panheadmark]

Linkerts are great. S/S is a great carb also. But I tend to feel the S/S carb is too much for most pan motors. Its a performance carb its like putinging a 850 double pumper holly on a dead stock 289 ford or 283 chevy. If you got STD heads 84 inch stroker by all means run a S/S but if you got a stock 61 incher I would run a linkert or if you want a modern carb that won't over fuel a cv is great. I run one on my chopper. Linkerts where good carbs. With the invention of better intake seals and floats there even better. But you can buy 2 or 3 cv for the price of one of the other 2 that's my 2 cents

[Cotten]

Originally Posted by Larry T

Cotten,
Isn't a twist of the wrist easier than a couple of extra primer kicks?
Just saying, all things considered, an accelerator pump is not a bad thing to have.

Larry!

You don't really think washing down your manifold and beyond with raw fuel is a good way to start a motor, do you?

Even the S&S is not supposed to be started that way, as it has an emulsion tube enrichener.

Doesn't it work?

Accelerator pumps are for accelerating.

Linkerts have the Schebler 'accelerator sump', which discharges a metered shot of emulsion upon demand.
No moving parts: nothing to wear out, swell up, perforate, or discomboobulate.

The only significant advance that the S&S exhibits over the Model M is the horizontal throttle disc, which L&L introduced with the DC series.

....Cotten

[Larry T]

Cotten,
Hum, looks to me like they are both ways of putting gas into the cylinders. Can you flood a bike with an acc. pump? Yes you can. Can you flood a bike with a Linkert or Super B? Yep.

If you don't need extra gas to start a bike, why does the Linkert lift the idle jet when you choke it?

I've ridden bikes both ways. No acc. pump for 10 or 15 years (Linkert/Super B) before I ever saw an E. And I've ridden bikes with Bendix/ Keihin/CV/ Super E's) since. No problems with washed down cylinders/dilluted oil with either.

Anyway, I hope we're just "bench racing" here. No ruffled feathers on my end.
Larry T

[Cotten]

Originally Posted by Larry T

....If you don't need extra gas to start a bike, why does the Linkert lift the idle jet when you choke it?...

Larry!

When choked, everything gets sucked in, not just gas.

Air as well as fuel is drawn into the idle bleed gallery, from the metering orifice in the little spring collar. Fuel and air mix and are sucked all the way to the idle bleeds as an emulsion.

Raw fuel doesn't burn very well, and at $4 a gallon, you shouldn't have to waste any to start the machine.

That's why S&S carbs have emulsion tube enricheners.

....Cotten
PS: I admit that nearly all cases of oil dilution are the results of faulty petcocks.
But doesn't most wear occur at start up?

[fifty]

Cotton knows his Linkerts for sure.... has helped me out tons

I have 2 on my pans and even as a novice was able to tear them down and reassemble no problem

[Skibo]

I'd have to suggest the linkert as well. If you hate it, you can always sell it and buy either a brand new S&S or two used ones.

[Larry T]

Originally Posted by Cotten

Larry!

When choked, everything gets sucked in, not just gas.

Air as well as fuel is drawn into the idle bleed gallery, from the metering orifice in the little spring collar. Fuel and air mix and are sucked all the way to the idle bleeds as an emulsion.

Raw fuel doesn't burn very well, and at $4 a gallon, you shouldn't have to waste any to start the machine.

That's why S&S carbs have emulsion tube enricheners.

....Cotten
PS: I admit that nearly all cases of oil dilution are the results of faulty petcocks.
But doesn't most wear occur at start up?

So you don't use primer kicks with a Linkert? If you do, doesn't the fuel fall out of the emulsion in between kicks, or on any kick that the engine does not start?

I would have a hard time agreeing that any engine (with acc. pump or not) never sees liquid or raw fuel when kick starting.
Larry T