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Old 08-25-2011, 10:50 PM   #1
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Completed mockup pics of this rig are on the last page.

So I'm building this sorta large budget street tracker deal for a guy...Trackmaster frame, etc etc. The frame had a motor in it when he bought it, bout a '67 or so, with a Morgo 750 barrel on it. The guy that my client bought it from said it was a pretty mild motor that he was going to use on the street.

That guy is a damn liar.

I pulled the exhaust off today. At the other end of the ports (which are pretty large-ish) were the largest exhaust valves I have EVER seen in a Triumph motor. One of them happened to be all the way open too, and I promise it was far enough off the seat to stick a finger into. Big, BIG lift. Pulled off the rocker covers and discovered lightened, polished and shimmed rockers, with aluminum nuts locking the adjusters.

So then we decided to unscrew the intake manifolds because it was easier than unbolting the carbs. The carbs, by the way have "250 main" written on the top of them hahaha. What we found was that the carb bodies and manifolds have been concentric bored as a unit. Dead smooth from one end to the other. And the intake valves are in taper cut guides, and the heads on those valves are probably 1.75"...so big you can see where they rewelded the ports to put the big seats in.

So then we pulled the timing cover, where we found the following:



Those ain't just drilled kids. They're also thinned, beveled and the centers have been thinned as well. The inside edges of the dish area has even been turned out on a taper. Oh, and they're fully polished. Like even out in the actual gear teeth.

Looking through the hole in the case, I can see that it has some sort of steel H beam rods, probably Carillos based on the bolts in them. The flywheel is well, mostly machined clear off haha. The counterweights have been drilled and have Mallory metal welded in....and that's just the stuff I can see through that little hole.

Oh, and it's been converted to a 5 speed. It's full on silly.

I am giddy like a school girl. In a 250 lb Trackmaster, this ought to be a whale of a motor. I will FULLY document the rebuild as well as the rest of the project, can't wait to get inside the motor and see what's there. Just had to share, this shit was better than Christmas and it's not even mine.

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Old 08-25-2011, 11:19 PM   #2
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thats an awesome find
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:20 PM   #3
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Wow, that's wicked. This is the coolest thing I've seen this week.
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Someone was serious about performance. Love it !
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That is Bad Ass!!!!!!!!!!! its nice to see true Craftsmanship. I love that kind of stuff.....
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:18 AM   #7
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Pretty damned cool. Love to see some shots of the head and carb work!
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:45 AM   #8
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Pretty damned cool. Love to see some shots of the head and carb work!

Ohhhh don't worry. You have no idea how badly i wanted to blow off everything else I had to do today to tear this motor apart.....

It'll be documented very well. This is walking in the shadow of the giants type stuff here.
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I'm a sucker for the stuff you can't see. I'm currently amisung myself by lightening the valve train on a scooter just so see if it makes a difference, so work like this is true eye candy!
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:23 AM   #11
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i thought you found a rat living in your engine or something like that,
before i opened the thread...

very nice to se something possitive insted!

good luck with the build and post some pics on the way
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Wow, two Christmasses for you this year!

I too wanna see what else has been done with that motor.
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Things like this make me wonder....
Someone loved this thing, even if the guy that owned it wasn't the builder, he knew the dollars and time that went into it. How the hell does something like that end up with someone who doesn't even know what it is or value it (I'm assuming this is the case since the guy sold it as a "pretty mild motor") , If only it could talk
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Wow. Great find! Post more pics/details!
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Very, very nice, Keep us updated with lots of pics!
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How about some detailed pics of the carbs.
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Very cool, looking forward to seeing more!
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detailed pics of everything!
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Gotta show us what else you find! Looking at the headline, I thought something was ruined, but this is awesome!
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That thing is a full on hot rod motor. Pretty cool.
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Wonders never cease.
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ok Clay, as you know, bad ass motors need bad ass carbs and ignitions, what's your plan?

and be careful, I had a motor with 1.75 valves and big lift cams and I had to use index washers to index the plugs because the valve would open up and close the gap on the spark plug.
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That is one seriously sexy timing set. Wow!
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:40 AM   #25
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Very, very cool find.

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Im gonna guess that the original builder was a machinist. I used to work in a Machine Shop about 15 years ago and they are obsessed with balancing everything and Mics. It's nice to see such attention to detail.
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WOW...that is intense
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The owner must be beside himself with glee. Tell him to try to get the history on the motor. Would be really interesting to know more.
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The owner must be beside himself with glee. Tell him to try to get the history on the motor. Would be really interesting to know more.
Yeah. I want to know who built it, because this isn't a bunch of random parts thrown together to build a "race" motor. This thing was built by someone that knew exactly what they were doing and had done it before. The bike had race history before someone started a bad attempt at the street tracker deal, and I'm guessing as serious as the motor is it may have been built by one of the big boys.

Oh, the owner is on vacation. I can't tell him about this until Sept 6. Killing me.
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ok Clay, as you know, bad ass motors need bad ass carbs and ignitions, what's your plan?

and be careful, I had a motor with 1.75 valves and big lift cams and I had to use index washers to index the plugs because the valve would open up and close the gap on the spark plug.
Yep. It had points in it. Not that there's anything wrong with that haha. I think I'm going to Tri Spark it, because there's nowhere to hide stuff and beacause I want something with an actual timing curve. Carb wise, I'm going to stick with the worked over 930s that are on it. They have no bore wear on them, and they match the manifolds.

My client actually had it running before he brought it to me. He didn't ride it hard because it has Carlisle dirt tires on it and the swingarm bushings are totally shot. But it did run, so this is an inspection rebuild more than anything else...barring any worn parts the motor will go back together EXACTLY how it comes apart.
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super cool! i bet you can't wait to rip around the block with that thing!
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Looking forward to more of this thread!!
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Yeah, like rimirilar and knallert said, I thought there was gonna' be chewed-up rags and insulation and crap like that inside. Nice surprise instead of a mice surprise! Definitely wanna' see more of this engine!

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What a killer surprise! I can't wait to see more pics and details about the internals.
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Clay, I'm sure you already know this, but just in case. Be sure you reverse degree the cams before you tear it down,cause there are secrets lurking in the timing on "real" hot rod motors. Jack
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Haha, thats awesome! Can't wait to hear the video of this one running! Thats definitely serious craftsmanship from someone who knew what the hell they were doing.
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man cool shit I bet a flattrack guy somewhere did that work right up there ally. Takes good amount of time and patience for that kind of work,have seen shaved timing gears down to 1/8 in on some trackers but never on inside like that kinda surprised they used 930s on there but I bet they worked good bored the way they are very cool. have you got into primary yet bet theres a alum clutch basket and posa bearing behind did they run stator. chk to see if it has been turned down a bit for more clearence less drag alot of tracker guys ran total loss love this shit always have a set up like this Im working on, if it dont break make it lighter if it does make it stronger they use to say. good fun,maybe cams have a flat spot at low rpm and owner never wicked it up to feel the power.
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are you gonna split the cases? lotsa oldtimers [and some NEW timers} will put a bius. card in the front motor mount void.....just to let the next rebiulder know whos handiwork it is!
i bought one like this,,,68tr6c,,,hardtailed.....just frame and engine...sportster tank with a big shark head cut from a magazine pasted on and cleared over! thought it was just some DPO`s attempt at a chop/bob,,,,,,,,untill i went to fire the motor, pushrods werent mated to rockers,no big surprize there. 250 main jet?????? that was awfull big!
after multiple tickles and kicks, it fires...runs good, but its pretty erratic, timing chk reveals seriously advanced timing,dpo again?????? retard some for easier starting and the engine calms down a lot, still, i put this engine in a raked frame w/all the 70`s catalog stuff, cheap twisted leg springer,flat fender,16" wheel, coffin tank,hex oilbag, you get the idea. this bike is fast! scary fast! TOO freakin fast for a bike w/12" over springer,this much rake and a spool hub up front! subsequent rides reveal 2 major probs, the pushrod tubes leak badly[no surprize there] and after the bike gets run through city traffic, the clutch LOCKS up after cooling off! now the clutch works perfectly[although a bit aggressive] while riding, once totally cooled down, the clutch plates LOCK! and i dont mean pull the clutch lever and rock the bike, i mean fire the bike up,pull the clutch in and blip the throttle good, and kick it into gear! would leave a black mark for about 5'! a trip around the parking lot[with the clutch lever pulled in] and the plates would break free!subsequent rides, the clutch was correct. only after heating the bike up good, and a complete cooldown. so i pull the head [for pushrod tube seal replacement] and the primary[plate cleaning and chain and basket chk]
surprize, surprize! alum clutch basket,alum barnett plates,11.5-1 popups/060 over!
now this has me confused-----obviously, some has rodded this motor, but a single carb bike? why??? so i get in touch with the guy i bought the bike from, he tells me the his buddy,danny, came down from nu-joisy with this bike and got hard up for cash,sold the bike to him and went home,,,he dont have this guys #, but he does have his older brothers #. so he calls this guy and gets the story; the bike was built by a privateer flatracker, who liked the single carb engines for the flatter torque curve.
he said there was supposed to be super hot cams,big valves, lotsa headwork and such in this engine and did i want to sell it! well, inspection of the intake and head DO show a lotta carbide rotary tool marks....havent pulled the timing cover to see what cams or if any of that esoteric gearwerk has been done like on this one you`v got! supposedly there is a bius card from the builder in this engine, and theres only one place it could be!
i dont run this engine much as its built to the point that todays piss-poor fuel will cause it to detonate and probably destroy itself.i get the race fuel from eastbay raceway dirttrack to run this bike at extreme cost......you might have the same prob with that one!
mostly, when you hear these detective stories,its full of grief as the hamfistery of the DPO comes to light,but every now and then, we`re PLEASENTLY surpized!
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Looking forward to seeing what other goodies you find in that motor.
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Since I ended up with the Maybry racing frames that held records in early 80s I didnt get engines just rollers, I have wonderd what the trick shit Jack Wilson did to the engines, would have loved to see those on my bench. Ive had the chance over the years to buy a couple flattrack engines one was blown, but what I learned by taking them apart was amazing, best schooling I ever had.
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This is a good thread!
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The guy that my client bought it from said it was a pretty mild motor that he was going to use on the street.

That guy is a damn liar.
This confuses me. Don't people normally play up their bikes to sweeten a sale? He must have gotten it without realizing what he'd gotten. Like others have said, if only it could talk, it sure would be an interesting story.
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Little shot of the whole bike. This is going to be a FUN project. For once I don't have to make a frame. It gets different front discs, rear disc brake, an alloy flat track tank, and an alloy fender.
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This confuses me. Don't people normally play up their bikes to sweeten a sale? He must have gotten it without realizing what he'd gotten. Like others have said, if only it could talk, it sure would be an interesting story.
I dunno. Maybe the guy thought he WAS playing it up, figuring a "mild" motor would make more sense in a street project than some fire breathign monster with a huge hole in the power down low. No clue.
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Man, I can't wait to see what you do with it. I caught myself snickering and chuckling in the most delightedly evil manner while drooling on that last picture.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:03 PM   #49
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That bike looks just like my old flattracke except I had spool in the front. trackmaster frame ect. One word of warning Once I decided to race it at a dragstrip just the way it came off dirt at about 105mph got into a lock to lock wobble thought I was gonna crash and leaned it off of track to bail and as soon as I hit grass straightend right out, made for the dirt keep on the dirt over the years changed rear wheel put struts on and changed fron end wheel everything always about 105 or so got in to a wobble just not enough rake I think, frame was perfect, But I remember when I raced on flattrack always in the staight a way had a little wobble but could not tell to bad in the heat of race. but you can see it with some of the trackers today but great on dirt or dirt drags.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:08 PM   #50
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Little shot of the whole bike. This is going to be a FUN project. For once I don't have to make a frame. It gets different front discs, rear disc brake, an alloy flat track tank, and an alloy fender.
Damn!! I think I just peed myself!!
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:20 PM   #51
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A flattie I was trying to buy in the early 80's had dual front discs utilizing two left side lower legs. I had all the bits to do that trick on mine at one time but they're missing now.

Nothing more than the left side T140 transplanted to the right. Might be appropriate on your build?
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that thing's cool as hell Clay, make a video when you get it going so we can hear what the monster sounds like
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Clay that motor is no good, all that bullshit will just blow it up as soon as you fire it. I will swap your customer a good core motor for you to rebuild for that hunk of junk, I will use it to weigh down my tent at the swap meet or something.
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all that bullshit will just blow it up as soon as you fire it.
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I swear I could have written that bit right there hahaha.
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A flattie I was trying to buy in the early 80's had dual front discs utilizing two left side lower legs. I had all the bits to do that trick on mine at one time but they're missing now.

Nothing more than the left side T140 transplanted to the right. Might be appropriate on your build?
Interesting idea.
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Looks like fun to me.
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Did you get the exhaust with it wondering if it had duel megaphone or two into one , brings back memories I always loved the welds on those frames
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What type of frame is that Clay?
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You bucky lastard! Anytime I get a surprise in a motor it is an unpleasant one like a three piece rod or a holed piston...
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Page 1, first sentence.

Trackmaster.
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A flattie I was trying to buy in the early 80's had dual front discs utilizing two left side lower legs. I had all the bits to do that trick on mine at one time but they're missing now.

Nothing more than the left side T140 transplanted to the right. Might be appropriate on your build?
Well, the original plan is to keep the Betor front end. However I'm toying with the idea of Buell M2 forks, just because they've already got two caliper mounts and things like modern valving.
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As far as I am aware it's a Trackmaster.
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RE: skinners post # 49. I wasn't aware a steep rake would make the forks slap like that at high speeds. What is the rake on that? Just eyeballin' it, it looks about 28 degrees or is it more like 26-27? I never did any sanctioned racing, just a little on local outlaw tracks so I don't know much about that kinda' stuff. There's a couple old-timers in my area who say they used to tighten up the rake when they bobbed bikes so they'd corner better and they didn't say anything about tank-slappers, 'course I didn't ask either. Just lookin' for info here 'cause I'm thinkin' about tightening up the rake on one of my Evos. BTW, what's a stock Triumph--about 29-30?

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Make with the more pics man!! Valves, rockers, etc!! This thing is giving me a broner...
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Well, the original plan is to keep the Betor front end. However I'm toying with the idea of Buell M2 forks, just because they've already got two caliper mounts and things like modern valving.
Those sure look like Ceriani road race forks, which would be correct for a real flat tracker.

You can confirm by checking any markings on the yokes.
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Those sure look like Ceriani road race forks, which would be correct for a real flat tracker.

You can confirm by checking any markings on the yokes.
They're Betor. I have several sets of both Ceriani and Betor in inventory, and even several sets of Arces trees, which would be REALLY correct. I'd much rather put Buell forks on it though.
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Why Buell forks instead of Betors? And what're Arces trees?
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:42 PM   #68
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And what're Arces trees?
I was told by an old flat tracker that they are really early ceriani. I guess the company either changed names, or they were assumed by Ceriani? I have a set on my Honda tracker. Kinda funny, the front end is worth more than my whole bike.

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Arces = Ceriani
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Arces = Ceriani
Same company yes. There are some differences in some of the "ARCES" branded triples vs some of the Ceriani and unlabeled ones.

But at the end of the day I want the go ahead to put me some Beull forks on this thing dammit! haha
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Same company yes. There are some differences in some of the "ARCES" branded triples vs some of the Ceriani and unlabeled ones.

But at the end of the day I want the go ahead to put me some Beull forks on this thing dammit! haha
Are you saying you want to put some Buell forks on it?
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:48 PM   #72
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Little shot of the whole bike. This is going to be a FUN project. For once I don't have to make a frame. It gets different front discs, rear disc brake, an alloy flat track tank, and an alloy fender.

HAHA!!! that tickles me
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:19 AM   #73
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I forget what that rake was on my tracker sold that bike frame in 85 first kid, one that got away used motor on street moved away for a while keeped it at a [friends] house came back two years later and promised to dig it out but never has that and old drag frame still in his crawl space for last 30 yrs cant seem to get my hands on it I changed rear wheel to 18 from 19 changed tires changed front forks struts from shocks whiced change rake a bit took to frame shop to chk for straightness may be wheelbase had somthing to do with it but never loss that wobble at 100-110 mph but still give left nut to have it back together only thing I have is exhaust still
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:20 AM   #74
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By the way I took engine out of flattrack put in oif 76 rolling chassis stock everything but struts on frame took it to drag strip went 12.10 with street tire right off at strip even had to put stator back on for bat elim. no big hole shot no wheelie bars just rode it to track right off street fun motors fun street bike. no wobble. slick and wheelie bar on 70 frame with 2" in swing arm,stuts, air shift pump gas went real low 11s at 116 in 1/4 mile same motor just freshend up a bit. shortrod 750. never ran that motor on fuel or alky just gas.
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Old 09-03-2011, 03:49 PM   #75
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sweet holy moses...this is killer.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:26 AM   #76
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Shit ! and I thought I was lucky !!!
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Old 09-05-2011, 01:54 AM   #77
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Thanks for the info guys!

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Did some works on this here unit. The owner and I decided that since the motor is fairly serious we'd build the rest of the bike to match, so it's getting modernish suspension, brakes and all that jazz. Huge front brake from a Monster, Brembo calipers, Excel rims, Goodyear flat track tires. Lots of fun shit.

I decided to tackle the rear wheel first, because it was going to have to have carriers for sprocket and rotor to mount to the Barnes hub. These are easy enough to call up and order from somewhere, but I decided to make them so as to get the exact dimensions I wanted and so I could relocated the wheel bearings out to the carriers. Here's all the jazz that I ordered up for the front and rear hubs, materials to make carriers, rotors, Rebel Gears sprocket etc:



Roughly 18 hours later, here's the stuff for the rear hub ready to go together. Carriers made in house, sprocket drilled because holes are cool, and a rear rotor for a Duc Monster. The rotor carrier has a lip on the back of it that the rotor registers on so everything stays true.



The whole mess assembled. I may switch to titanium bolts if my client wants to spend $300 or so to do it, or else I'll just leave these:







Here's the bike currently. Buell forks and the hardest I've ever worked to put a rear wheel on a bike. I'll get the front rim laced up tomorrow and see if I have to make a spacer for the front rotor. As soon as they arrive I have to make for the calipers, then make some aluminum bodywork.


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That back wheel does look like a handful.
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Man, that's looking beautiful. Always excited when i see a hillbillyhell update. =D
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Nice looking so far can't wait to see more, and if that's the sellers idea of a "mild" motor I'd hate to see what his idea of a monster motor would be.
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Thanks fellas. Here's a few pictures of the frame up on two wheels at static ride height. Might pull the front end down another quarter inch or so to lose a degree or two of steering angle, I'd like this thing to turn in with the quickness.



The front end. Those are 45mm (!!) forks from a Buell M2. I'm pretty stoked on them, and I'm pretty stoked on hanging a big old 4 pot caliper on that rotor too.

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I haven't read his whole thread yet, but that shop is CLEAN!
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Heh, I get that a lot but it's not as clean as it looks. It's tidy because we have a thousand feet of storage now and our service department is in a seperate area of the building too, so I don't have anything in my fab shop except the bikes I'm building at that moment and equipment. And a couch for my dogs haha.

there's always a nice layer of metal dust on everything though. We're doing so much fab work now that we're having to blow off benches/equipment and sweep every night.
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So I forgot I had a little thread going on this bike...still working on it. Got the tins about done, and some Works Performance shocks, made an aluminum swingarm, etc etc.

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looks great. Judging by the bits of tubing laying around, you're mocking up some exhaust. What are you thinking? A 2-1 undertail could be fun.
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I reckon 2-1 high on one side would look cool.

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Jumpin' jeebus, Clay, that looks like it's likely to be on par with your last race-inspired monster. You are flat-out killin' it, man.
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Thanks for the boner material. I havent been on here in a while and the 1st thread i read thru is this one.
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Wow just wow!
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C'mon mate put down the bloody beer and get the camera out !!!
Kiss everyone goodnight and get to work !

How bout some head pics ?

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thats fuckin sweet man..lotta time there,,keep em comin.
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hey Clay,

any more detailed shots on the swing arm that you , just want to admire the craftsmanship on something like that .
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Thanks fellas. The exhaust is going to be 2-1 under the motor (like tt pipes but tucked in better) into a Supertrapp hanging on the right by the swingarm. I wanted to do a high 2-1 since high pipes are kinda my thing, but got vetoed...nevermind that flat track bikes typically used high pipes on the left for mile tracks. Oh well.

Here's a few better pics, got the seat back from the upholstery shop, pretty leather. Also finished cleaning up the tail and got a wire edge all the way around it and mounted the tail light. Probably have the exhaust and foot controls done end of the week. maybe.





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I love it!
Definetly gonna build me a high Triumph one day.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:14 AM   #101
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Tweakout city, man
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:33 PM   #102
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Gorgeous. Can't wait to see more progress. Frame/tins staying silver?
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:49 PM   #103
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keep at it Clay, I still want to hear it run when you're done, make us a utube video
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #104
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I may be wrong, but are those shocks mounted upside down? Oil shocks don't work inverted, gas shocks I dont think it makes a difference
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:27 PM   #105
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I build all my motors like this (cough, cough) j/k! I'm with servi, I would like to hear that thing running!!! what's the bore, cams etc...???
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Why not? a inverted fork does
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:55 PM   #107
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Why not? a inverted fork does
Inverted forks don't work if you put them on upside-down, looking like a normal fork.

The point is, hydro shocks are designed to work in one direction, haha.
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The point is, hydro shocks are designed to work in one direction, haha

So who says there inverted? Because the body is on the top? Performance shocks have been built like this for years now, it reduces the un-sprung weight.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:56 PM   #109
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They're custom shocks from Works Performance. They're A: gas and B: designed to run this way.
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I am in awe of the work done on this moto.

I am envious of your skillset sir. Deeply envious.
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Things like this make me wonder....
Someone loved this thing, even if the guy that owned it wasn't the builder, he knew the dollars and time that went into it. How the hell does something like that end up with someone who doesn't even know what it is or value it (I'm assuming this is the case since the guy sold it as a "pretty mild motor") , If only it could talk

Its simple Drew. The owner was a racer. He got it as fast as he could and when something faster came along it was obsolete and useless. So it was passed along for something faster. While we may treasure it today. Back then it was something that had become slow so it had to go. The dollars and time invested meant nothing if it wasn't a winner.
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Its simple Drew. The owner was a racer. He got it as fast as he could and when something faster came along it was obsolete and useless. So it was passed along for something faster. While we may treasure it today. Back then it was something that had become slow so it had to go. The dollars and time invested meant nothing if it wasn't a winner.
As best I can sort this out, the racer was several owners ago. The guy that my client bought it from had no or very little idea what it was. Neither did my client beyond that it was a Trackmaster frame with a motor in it.

I can't wait to split the cases in a few weeks when I'm done with all the fab work. I've got even money that I'll find a Sonny Routt card in the triangle. It came out of the right area, and it looks to be built the Sonny way. More info on that once we get into the motor!
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Finally some progress on this thing. Been having trouble making headway on it. Finished up the front half of the exhaust this evening. Sorta like TT pipes, but sorta not. TTs that go under the front look hideous on a Trackmaster so I made some that go under the side of the frame and into a 2-1 merge collector. Will get the Supertrap on, back by the swingarm somewhere.




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That's gonna be an awesome ride. Just getting aquainted with my big bore engine and amazed at the power it makes. Love to have a bike like this. Stellar work clay
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:07 PM   #115
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That's gonna be an awesome ride. Just getting aquainted with my big bore engine and amazed at the power it makes. Love to have a bike like this. Stellar work clay
Thanks ya! Can't wait to twist the throttle on this one. Ought to be stout.

Got the pipe done back to the muffler, just have to make some hangers/brackets and the exhaust will be wrapped up. The "making stuff" is never ending on this bike...

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More or less finished mockup on this beastie the othe rday, took it outside for a few snapshots.









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Old 08-23-2012, 03:07 PM   #117
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Beautiful work; great photography, too. My favourite build on JJ.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:31 PM   #118
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Man. That's impressive. Great job. Looking forward to the motor rebuild.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:05 AM   #119
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So to make clutch adjustments you would have to remove the primary side rear motor mount? And to change a clutch cable or gearbox fluid, the timing side rear motor mount?
I think the footrests look great but from the images, it looks like they block the access plugs.
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So to make clutch adjustments you would have to remove the primary side rear motor mount? And to change a clutch cable or gearbox fluid, the timing side rear motor mount?
I think the footrests look great but from the images, it looks like they block the access plugs.
So a extra 3 bolts . . . plus minor clutch adjustments at handlebars, maybe once a year at engine, don't see a problem. Riding position more importaint
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So to make clutch adjustments you would have to remove the primary side rear motor mount? And to change a clutch cable or gearbox fluid, the timing side rear motor mount?
I think the footrests look great but from the images, it looks like they block the access plugs.
Yup. If you can find a picture of one, check out an original Trackmaster right side footrest. Mine are basically a nicer version. 2 minutes work to get them off, so no big deal to me.

Plus, the guy that this bike is for is literally 5'5". To get the pegs high enough for him, the mounts would have looked retarded if they came up from the bottom.
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Hi Clay,
Any pics of the promised engine teardown?
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I bet that's more fun than a barell of strippers
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Awesome!

How does it run?
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You beat me JAWS.AWESOME!
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That tracker on the street would be fuckin' unreal!!
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:43 AM   #131
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Clay, Nice to see you posting again... What you do with metal blows me away!
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awesome!! I really enjoyed seeing the bikes you were building in your shop, I'll have to stop by again soon
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