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Old 01-16-2010, 01:13 PM   #1
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Default S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

Looking to build a bike for a friend. Is there any differences in reliability, longevity, with new S&S shovelheads or pans vs the evo? I put a new 93 in S&S shovel in a chopper for a guy last summer. He has lost compression in the rear cylinder already. Is this a isolated insident? My other friend has a new S&S pan motor. I needed to be rebuilt after 2 years. Any input?
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:26 PM   #2
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

I have nothing nice to say about S&S's Pan motor. After 2000 miles it belched smoke. I sent it back to S&S only for them to say the motor must have had over 10,000 miles on it. Oil pump shot, pistons and bore worn, cam shot etc;.
I havent had one problem with the S&S Evo style engines though.


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Old 01-16-2010, 01:26 PM   #3
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Definitely an evo, it has to be the most produced v-twin of all-time, 84-99 and HD still makes along with all the other brands.
It doesn't mean there more reliable but most of the bugs have been worked out.
Plus u can't beat the price 3g's for the low end HD evo compared 8g's for the s&s shovel. S&S makes quality shit and stand by there product but IMO go with the evo or a rebuild an original shovel.
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

I don't want to talk him into paying the extra cash for a shovel or pan and have the thing crap out in 2 years. That just makes me look bad. If this was a bike I was building for myself I would get an original HD pan motor.
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:26 PM   #5
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

I second the opinion on the EVO, for the price you can get one from HD for, its worth the money. Nothing worse than building something for a customer and having it break down in 2 years and need a full rebuild. Evo is the way to go.
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:34 PM   #6
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

Any preferance on brand of evo? S&S, HD, Revtec, Looking for something around 93 ci.
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:47 PM   #7
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S&S for Evo. HD for Pan or Shovel.
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:49 PM   #8
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

brand new crate HD 80" motor is $2500. Cant beat it, they are prettybullit proof.. Ultimas are good low priced motors and run problem free when broken in properly and maintained properly. you can say that for any of the major co. that sell them. I worked in 2 repair shops and seen them all come through and have seen engines from all mentioned brands fail at one time or another. All companys have honored their warrantys and came through with repairs/replacements also. HD and S&S being the best and most costly of the bunch. I have recently found out during a conversation about motors that the largest # of V-twin motors produced to date is the Twinkie!!! ( HD twin cam) if you can beleive it!
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:53 PM   #9
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

My advice when building a bike for someone, or just giving them the advice if they wish to go at it alone: Get a crate HD EVO motor, put it in, build your bike, ride it and take care of it. When it gets worn THEN tear it apart and put whatever go fast internals you want to in it.

That way you get several seasons out of a 2700-3200 $ brand new motor and you KNOW what you got, and you KNOW what you are putting into it.

Revtecs are hit and miss, plus all the other aftermarket motors are 2G's plus what an HD motor costs new, then when you go to rebuild that one, your already 2G's over cost from the original HD.

Just my opinion, I build my personal bikes out of original HD used shovels, just cause thats what I'm into, but the above is Advice that I offer.

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Old 01-16-2010, 04:15 PM   #10
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

my 0.2

i have had my 93" dual plug S&S Shovel since late-2006 and have approx. 3k+ miles (5 other bikes need attention too!). it's a plug and play motor direct from S&S with their electronic ignition and S&S E carb (I switched to Mikuni HSR42 before firing it up). i do not ride WOT nor do i wheelie or do burn outs. i can honestly say it's a solid product and would not hesitate to buy again. there is the case for an H-D Evo crate motor for about half the cost, but you didn't mention what budget you are working with or whether the person is mechanically inclined. it just gets down to looks and styling, imo

good luck on your choice

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Old 01-16-2010, 04:26 PM   #11
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

Onr thing you have to watch out for is how these guys are riding the shov/pan motors, are they riding them like Jap bikes?? or trying to keep up with Evos, both are big no,no's, you have to warm up the shovels and pans before ya put them in gear or you will wear them out in 2000 miles, the Evo you have tp warm up so ya dont blow gaskets! The twincam has Oring base gaskets so they wont blow them, but a little pree heat dosnt hurt, After you find out how they are riding the bikes, then, and only then can you reconmend a motor/bike combo, and then some times the guy needs to stick to the jap bikes........Just my opinion........Roach.
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

Thanks everyone. I think evo is the way to go. Good motor for a good price.
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Old 01-16-2010, 10:57 PM   #13
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

get a real harley evo motor and you will be alset for 120,000 to 150,000 miles without even doing a top end, the wantabee motor builders dont have a clue!, their stuff dont last like the manufactured engineers made it
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:38 PM   #14
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Shovels are MUCH cooler, than an EVO. I.M.H.O. But the factory Crate Evo is the only way to go. Easy to break in and way less money. Lots of hop up parts all over the place, and the dealers still stock parts, gaskets etc. Can't say the same for a Shovel. I'd bet the aforementioned failures were a result of impatient break in. I've been there done that.
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Default Re: S&S SHOVELHEAD VS EVO VS PAN advice?

If reliability is your buddy's only want, get the evo. But what about style???? The sun don't rise and set on the corner grocer H.I.
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If reliability is your buddy's only want, get the evo. But what about style???? The sun don't rise and set on the corner grocer H.I.
Function over fasion on this one. For myself it has to be an old panhead. Don't want to talk him into what I like and have problems later. I can build him a nice looking evo chop.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:00 PM   #18
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Looks like a lot of good advice came your way. Here is a shop moto that I really like, you may find it appropriate as well, "I service what I sell." Good Luck with the next build.
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:00 PM   #19
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[quote=gasketscraper;573805]Shovels are MUCH cooler, than an EVO. I.M.H.O. quote]
absolutely
I personally would never own or a ride an evo bike
they just dont do it for me and I dont care what anyone says the motors are ugly
Im sure you can find a rebuilt factory HD shovel complete motor out there for under $5K from a reputable builder
My dads pan motor has been together since 1965
across the country several times etc.
I cant even tell you how many miles are on it
you cant ride the old stuff like an Evo or a Jap bike

I did a bike for a friend of mine for his first custom bike and he didnt know what he really wanted he just didnt want something stock,
and I wouldnt let him get ripped off by some so called bike builders that are out there etc.
so we went with a stock HD built shovel motor for the build, gave it a freshen up through a reputable engine builder and its still going strong
just about every single time we go out on the bikes he thanks me for not going with an evo motor now that he is more knowledgable about bikes

If you do end up going with a pan or a shovel you have to go with factory stuff,
the price for the aftermarket pan or shovels that S&S and other get you can buy a factory HD pan or shovel rebuilt from an engine builder

Cone shovel are there all over the place and are going to be the cheapest ones out there
hell by me you can pretty much get a nice running stockish shovel complete bike for around $4,000 now some even cheaper than that

Evo=Ugly
go with something that has a little more style to it
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cant go wrong with an 80" HD shovel. keep the compression
reasonable, something like 8.5:1 & always warm it up good before
getting on it. dont let the oil tank get low, & break the motor in slowly.
more power than a pan, more looks than an evo.
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