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Old 09-21-2016, 10:20 AM   #1
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The end goal is a up/out 1", de-raked 28-29 degrees and shortened rear chopper/mild hotrod.

Got a little creative with this one... banks will finance a title sometimes up to 120% of the NADA value of the motorcycle, they think you're buying a complete bike. Didn't feel like spending years collecting parts for this one and just financed everything. Just fyi before you start wondering how I could afford this stuff. (I can't haha!) I'm not upside down on it though. Yet.

Picked up a fat tire chopper basket case for the drive train.


Met a guy at Wauseon for a titled '95 FXSTS frame


Can't turn back. My friend is doing the major frame fab.










The motor ended up having damaged cases. Looked like someone dropped it at one point and the flywheels were pinched between the cases.



So excuse to get some better cases...


Stock Heads releaved for 30 degree angle top pistons/ported, beehives, resurfaced & man compression releases at Tman Performance. Before & after




Motor parts have been showing up. 85ci Axtell cylinders, 10:1 compression, head work and Mikuni 45mm should get decent reliable power.






Never seen a brand new Morris M5 before....


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Im interested to see how this comes out - some nice components on the bench
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What bubbles said....
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Well, this ought to be interesting. I like it so far.
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:43 PM   #5
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Forgot this one. The front half of a softail frame is really close to that of a 4spd frame. Just lop off the softail swingarm section and you can make any weld on 4spd hardtail work with some persuasion.

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This looks like its going to be pretty cool. Always thought a softy would make a good start to a chop.
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interesting....
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Want to part with the cut off and swingarm?
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Want to part with the cut off and swingarm?
Did your back and kidneys make you ask this question Joe?
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Did your back and kidneys make you ask this question Joe?
No, it's more like my diaphragm and all my innard's. No more rigid's with frame mounted seats, spring seat or suspension only.
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No, it's more like my diaphragm and all my innard's. No more rigid's with frame mounted seats, spring seat or suspension only.
I'm going to hold on to it, some day it may need to be returned to stock
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Ok.
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Interesting. I am curious about that gpr stabilizer
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Interesting. I am curious about that gpr stabilizer
Going to make it fit to a 39mm front end.

Didn't accomplish much on my day off, cleaned up the cases. Hard to see in the pic but they're decently shiny again. They were already polished but must of sat around for a long time.

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Old 10-13-2016, 11:36 AM   #16
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Started polishing motor parts, spent an afternoon and they still look like shit. Hate polishing.


here's a before pic of the wheels. Tapered bearings off an '85 fxr. Sent them out for gloss black powder yesterday. When they get back I will lay a stripe of metalic gold 1 shot down the lines of the spokes. Gonna try to get the roller mocked up soon and didn't want to put my fresh tires on dirty old wheels.
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The hardtail and that new top tube really clean the lines of that softail frame. And Irish Rich said it would not fit. Tsk, Tsk....
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Well done thus far.
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The hardtail and that new top tube really clean the lines of that softail frame. And Irish Rich said it would not fit. Tsk, Tsk....
I actually got inspired from one of his tech articles. It should throw some people off at first glance.
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The hardtail and that new top tube really clean the lines of that softail frame. And Irish Rich said it would not fit. Tsk, Tsk....
Why I aughtta....I didn't say it wouldn't fit, I said it wouldn't be a "plug-n-play" like it would be with a 4 speed swingarm frame, as far as lining up, because of the height difference in the backbone/seatpost area of the Softie vs. the 4 speed swingarm frame. And, I also said that you'd have to modify that area & backbone to get the mating & frame lines right (and I made suggestions on what most likely would need to be done), which crazy b found necessary to get it to work. Sheesh!
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Why I aughtta....I didn't say it wouldn't fit, I said it wouldn't be a "plug-n-play" like it would be with a 4 speed swingarm frame, as far as lining up, because of the height difference in the backbone/seatpost area of the Softie vs. the 4 speed swingarm frame. And, I also said that you'd have to modify that area & backbone to get the mating & frame lines right (and I made suggestions on what most likely would need to be done), which crazy b found necessary to get it to work. Sheesh!
Yeap, seatpost is going to be a tad longer to straighten that line out/make it fit. Plus it also gets rid of that big nasty triangle section. Thanks for your write up, basically what spawned all this Rich! haha
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Got wheels back with fresh gloss black powder and painted some metallic gold stripes.



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Old 11-03-2016, 03:25 PM   #23
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Decided against the de-rake after mocking it up.





The Franken Tranny really hangs out there, 3" belt drive I scored should even it out.
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Goddamn, you're cooking right along.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:05 PM   #25
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Started assembling the motor.



Frame is all welded up, starting the body work. Going to have most of the time into this, not looking forward to it.

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Old 12-02-2016, 11:24 AM   #26
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I don't get much free time outside of work.. bottom end has all been sized, trued and pretty much complete minus waiting on some cam chest washers to set cam/breather enplay. Top end is all brand new and set up for the cam so the rest of the motor should go together pretty quick next week...



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Feuling put 8 long head bolts in my kit rather than 4 long & 4 short, would be complete if it weren't for that. They were happy to fix it and send me the right ones.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:01 PM   #29
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Hey Rich, where do I find a copy of your write up? I've been dreaming of hard-tailing a softail twin cam for quite a while.

(Hey FYI this is Chris - who you helped fix up my terrible terrible panhead frame neck last year!)
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Scratch that - found it

http://www.hotbikeweb.com/tech/softy...-bike-magazine
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Hey Rich, where do I find a copy of your write up? I've been dreaming of hard-tailing a softail twin cam for quite a while.

(Hey FYI this is Chris - who you helped fix up my terrible terrible panhead frame neck last year!)
Hey Chris, hoped you were still working on that bike, haven't seen any update photos on your IG page. post up!

Not to hijack crazy b's thread, but if you're thinking of hardtailing a softail frame for a TC A, that article will help you along, with the addition of an adapter plate for the engine to fit a Evo softail frame. But, if it's a TC B softail frame you're starting with, it'll be a lot more work. I've done a few, and there are other variations people have done, but this is how I did it.

Because the TC B has the engine & transmission bolted together, the uprights for the softail swingarm are also the rear mounts for the transmission case. When you cut that section out, you loose them, so.....

You'll have to make a crossmember and mounts to support the rear of the transmission case, and leave clearance for the drivechain or belt.....


Then, you'll need a support for the upper frame area, because TC B softail's have a "faux" seatpost. Some have done it with uprights between the hardtail rails, I did it with a bolt-in center brace from the transmission to the upper hardtail rails. This way the trans can come out w/o pulling the engine....


Here's a photo with everything in place. You can barely see the upright between the trans and the upper frame area....


Here's what the bare frame looked like fresh from powdercoating...
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Compared to an stock frame.




cleaning up the front end





I need a nice matching short lever.

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I haven't posted anything in a while (I don't know that anyone is really that interested in this anyways) partly because I was just in a pretty bad motorcycle wreck two weeks ago. Lady ran a stop sign and t-boned me. The bike was drug under her SUV almost taking me with it but I managed to roll out of the way and then it caught fire. Broke all my ribs, collapsed both lungs, broke my left leg in half tib/fib and a torn aorta that almost killed me. I'll be down another 5-6 weeks and about 8 weeks before I can start walking on my broken leg. Strange thing is this happened to me a little over a year ago, a block away from the same spot on the same bike and totaled it that time as well. Almost lost my left foot on that one. This was my daily rider built a few years ago, '79 swingarm chop. A lot of love and time up in smoke. I'm excited to finish the evo and make it even more special now.




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I'm really sorry you got hit and hurt. Glad you survived, and it sounds like your good attitude survived as well. Get better soon.
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I'm really sorry you got hit and hurt. Glad you survived, and it sounds like your good attitude survived as well. Get better soon.
Thanks man, it was bad but could have been much worse. So many people stepped up to help me out too made me realize how lucky I am.
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Holy shit, you are lucky!

Rest up and do whatever it takes to heal well.
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Hello, This is a damn shame.
I am sorry for your pain and lost.
I wish you a speedy recovery and all the best.
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That was a nice bike Glad you made it out alive.

I for one have been watching this particular build, so I hope you keep updating.
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That was a nice bike Glad you made it out alive.

I for one have been watching this particular build, so I hope you keep updating.
Thanks man, I've been watching your Knuckle project since the start. I'm really jealous of those Flathead Power heads! I think a Frankenstein knucklehead motor is going to be my next project after this one is done.
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Shoooot man. Glad you get to keep building/riding, with some time albeit. Dig the build I've have the same basic frame/donor idea in mind for a bit(wearing real thin on breaking shovels) cool to see one coming together.
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This is from a few months back mocking up the belt drive to see if everything still lined up.


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Still crippled, haven't done much with this. Collected a lot of crappy 39mm front ends to piece this together and hand polished everything. Wayyyy to much work to end up with a basically stock sporty front end.




Went to peel the crappy rattle-can paint job off, noticed that there's something hidden under there. If it starts to look cool, I'm going to try to save it.

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Hidden treasure. Nice! Get well Mr.B
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I hope the tank gives up it's treasure easily.
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Oh boy, archaeology! That little bit that can be seen in your pic has a Japanese floating world/geisha sort of look to it. Unlikely but possible.
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Well that's what was under there. I didn't keep going to see if there was anything on the sides, betting there is. It's cool, not my style though going to trade it to a pinstripe artist friend of mine for some work on this bike. He's going to leave it how it is and hang it up.



For future reference if someone is trying to save a paint job like this, just take your time. I used 400 grit wet sanding to cut through the hard coats, then 2000 grit wet when it started getting close to the image underneath. Also used lacquer thinner on blue shop towels and rubbing to help get it off. Would have came out really nicely if I hand't started with aircraft stripper, I just didn't think there was going to be anything under there.
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