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Old 07-28-2016, 12:58 PM   #201
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Default Re: '62 Chop, 4th Rebuild in 42 years.....

Started putting the clutch together, question here, do these rollers for the clutch basket run dry? Or are they lubricated somehow? this clutch is a dry, open primary setup....

I'm considering putting a small amount of fiber type wheel bearing grease on these, but am afraid of that stuff getting into the clutch plates and screwing up the works....

Any ideas?


These are the clutch parts I'm running....
The clutch "fingers" look worn, but are just discolored, can't feel any grooves in them with my fingernail...



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Old 07-28-2016, 01:43 PM   #202
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Can't you just bin the fan bit ?
I know nothing about plod generators


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Old 07-28-2016, 03:38 PM   #203
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I run heavy molly wheel bearing grease like for trailer wheel bearings, not too much....Never had a problem.
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:34 AM   #204
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Default Re: '62 Chop, 4th Rebuild in 42 years.....

Pull the retainer off, put a small amount on the inside of the cage, enough to keep the bearings in and from falling out. Put a light film on the outer contact surface as well where the bearings roll.
I used scotch bright on the hub fingers just to make sure they were smooth. Don't grease them though it'll get into the clutch pack.
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Old 07-29-2016, 12:02 PM   #205
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Default Re: '62 Chop, 4th Rebuild in 42 years.....

yea little grease
plates i just bought said soak in oil 10 mins then wipe off (dry clutch)
i had oil spinning out of basket for a week clutch works fantastic photo IMG_8735.jpg
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Old 07-29-2016, 02:31 PM   #206
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Default Re: '62 Chop, 4th Rebuild in 42 years.....

Did another trial fit of all the clutch parts....




Locked down the compressed spring pack, and took it apart again....


Then installed it with the belt, adjusted the belt to about 3/4" of flex from "neutral" to "down with thumb pressure"


Found this problem, the belt is just barely rubbing against the frame tube...


I'll have to put some spacers under the trans plate, probably 1/8" will do it...
More later...
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:02 PM   #207
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Pulled the shroud off the generator, no problem now!!!
Looking at modifying the shroud, no decision yet...
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:17 PM   #208
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Found some wheel bearing grease in my stash that looks good for the clutch hub bearings...


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Old 07-30-2016, 01:27 PM   #209
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I run solid footpegs, they act as "crash guards" if I go down.
Went down once, long time ago, and these pegs and the handlebars kept most of the bike up off the pavement, damage was minimal...




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Old 07-30-2016, 02:15 PM   #210
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Default Re: '62 Chop, 4th Rebuild in 42 years.....

smart move
my stock crash bars saved the bike a few times and me.
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Old 08-03-2016, 02:08 PM   #211
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Sitting here last night with my buddies and a couple shots of great Scotch, mulling over what to do with this generator problem, this model 58R six volt generator is just in way too "primo" of a condition to go cutting it up. As I have two more panhead projects awaiting my attention, and those will use stock HD style drop seat swing arm frames, that this generator will probably fit into just fine, I think I'm going to save it and look for another alternative...


If I go for a smaller six volt generator, I can keep my present regulator, head and tail lights, keeping it as "original" as I can to the "first build" from 1970.
A possibility from Cycle Electric:


Or upgrade to 12 volts, which would need a new regulator, and head and tail lights:
Another possibility from Cycle Electric:

The photo looks the same, probably is, but probably has different field coils and armature inside to make it 12 volt...

Then there's this choice, again from Cycle Electric, a modern generator with built in solid state regulator,
I'd still have to change out the head and tail lights...

And I'd probably go ahead and upgrade the headlight to a high intensity bulb that would really light up the road at night, along with a better bulb, probably an led, in the tail light to make it more visible...

Ahhh, I need some more Scotch to help me decide...
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Old 08-03-2016, 02:33 PM   #212
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Thats the one I am running... The last picture.
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Old 08-04-2016, 01:48 PM   #213
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Ordered one of these, and will upgrade the lites to 12v...
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Old 08-04-2016, 08:35 PM   #214
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I like your decision. ^ Looks like the one I just got as well.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:38 PM   #215
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When I first put the tranny on the mounting plate and put it in the frame, it all looked good, put the belt on, and found it needed spacers to lift the plate up about 1/8"...


So I cut some 1/8" spacers and reset the tranny and plate, and got the clearance I wanted...


But with the belt no longer resting on the frame, I noticed that the tranny would rock slightly side to side. Checked it closer, and found that the trans plate was sitting solid on the front right and rear left bolt holes, but was rocking between the front left and rear right bolt holes. Stripped everything down and checked the plate, nothing there, completely flat. Checked the spacers, no, they are good. Put the plate with no spacers on the mounts, and yup, it "rocks".....

The Denvers frame tranny plate mounts are not square...


The gap is about 1/16"...


Thought about it for awhile, and decided to use three of the 1/8" spacers, and one 1/16" spacer, and I squared this thing up. Decided to put the 1/16" spacer on the right front location, which gave me the clearance I wanted for the primary belt, and the tranny plate sat nice and solid with no "rocking out"....

Adjusted the tranny back until I could just barely twist the top of the primary belt 90 degrees, which gave me about 1-1/4" total up and down flex at the middle of the top of the belt....




Now I'm sitting here looking at this breather, and wondering what to do to keep it from puking all over my belt !!!


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Old 08-06-2016, 06:57 PM   #216
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Had a couple hrs available before I'm taking my grandkids to a beach BBQ, so worked on the clutch and brake handlebar mounts...
The clutch handle is already for 1", but the brake MC is for 7/8", so need to open it up...



Decided to put 1/8" spacers in, clamp it down, and drill out the sides only using a 1" Unibit, leaving full thickness in the top and bottom areas...


Worked well, smoothed it up a bit with a hand file...

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The front brake MC bolted up quite nicely, and with the front forks layed over full left, the reservoir is perfect for filling/checking....


Bolted the clutch lever on also, the levers are a bit long for these short hand grips, will shorten them up a bit to match...


More Later...
When I get back from the beach...
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Old 08-06-2016, 07:57 PM   #217
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Willy I ran solid forwards once and had a near death experience when forced into a corner a tad too fast

Fwds where 1st thing to hit the ground on primary side and lifted the back wheel up and I only just managed to save it

The bike was set up pretty poorly and hopefully you dont have this same issue
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Old 08-06-2016, 09:28 PM   #218
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Worth hearin' and thinkin' about it...
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Old 08-07-2016, 11:03 AM   #219
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When are we riding?

I need to get a battery.
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Old 08-07-2016, 11:55 AM   #220
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With the grandkids here with us, keeps us busy, but I manage to squeeze in some time in the shop here and there....
I'm looking at how and where to maybe mount those front foot pegs up a little higher, sitting in the seat checking it out, it just felt a little too far forward and down, in this "new" frame with longer downtubes, compared to the "old" frame, so that might get changed....
Will recheck that once the bike is down off the bench and running, so I can see just how and what the clearance with the street is. I do like to ride hard on the rare occasion, so want to make sure "no mo problums..."

Here's a good look at the front pegs position, was checking it out during the first "fit up" of basic parts. It just feels like my legs are a bit too stretched out, I do like a little more "knee" in my riding style...


Here's the original frame, those same pegs were quite a bit "up" and a bit closer to the seat in this frame....

It's definitely worth thinking about and looking at...
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