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Old 11-17-2016, 02:59 PM   #1
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Wait?! What!? A long bike from Angry Monkey Motorcycles? Say it isn't so! Yep, it is for real, and it is also a "unit" bike to boot. This client build has been started for over a year but because of frame delays, outside of my realm of control, it is only now starting in earnest.

The plan is the client flying in, then riding this puppy out to Sturgis THIS June. Ambitious? Yes. Possible? Yes. That is, IF everything else falls into place on time. All I can tell you for sure is that I'm going to give it my best effort. So buckle up and enjoy the ride

This is the list of basics features on this bike:
Fully polished 650 bumped to 750 Engine built by Dan at Franz and Grubb
Sugar bear 18" over springer with #2 rockers,
46* degree rake, twin down-tubes, goose-necked, full frame, by Speed Devices
16" rear wheel w/firestone vintage tire,
21" front wheel w/Speedmaster tire and small disc brake (GASP!),
vertical oil tank
AMM saddle.
The rest will have to be figured out as we go, since this is my first Choppa'

Here are a few of the parts collected so far...

Donor bike: "tagged" frame, which will be sold off. Titled '70 engine.


18" over Sugar Bear Springer:



OG ARD setup on the right will go on this bike. The aftermarket ARD on left was sent to client for use on one of his other Triumph bikes.


Adam of Speed Devices finishing up the frame. WOOOO-HOOOO!

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How cool and what a challenge! Good luck and I can't wait to see more!


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Oh my, I can't wait to see Jaw's reaction!
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It just hit me, you're in Mississippi I think? This thing is gonna have a helluva shakedown run!!!
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And no top motor mount? "Shakedown" is going to be more than usually shaky.
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And no top motor mount? "Shakedown" is going to be more than usually shaky.
Haha! There are no head steadies because the frame is not even welded together yet. I will be adding all those details here in my shop. I will shake it down before he gets here. There is no way I'd send him off on a major trip without getting the bugs out.
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I can hear Brandt's heart racing from the UK! gonna be killer man!
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Cool project
I assume belt primary?
What kind of lighting and electrical?
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Got my attention!!!!
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I'm so looking forward to that springer mounted to the bike. No doubt, it will look kick ass
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Wait wait wait.... Are pigs flying?

Ill look out the window... nope.

I must be dreaming and its not my Birthday.... hmmm

A brit Looooong bike. Finally, finally Dan has come to his senses, or my "build cool shit"machine is working correctly.

I love technology. This is going to be good.
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Wow, I'm suprized thats for sure. I look forward to seeing you version of a long bike. You got some nice bits to star with.
Cann't wait to this build take shape and the details you are going to come up with along the way.
Do I see a prism tank in the far distance?

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Lester.. prism tank?... if Dan decides to go that route.. I've got one on my shelf I would gladly donate to this build..
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Auxiliary fuel tank on sissy bar
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Consider my interest piqued.
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Oh crap Dan, this is too cool. I am loving what I see so far and it is always a pleasure to take a look at one of your build threads.

You will totally knock this one out of the park. It is only in the early stages but already I am thinking of exhausts and paint

Good one, Dan.
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Well, it is nearly Christmas. I'm having real difficulty picturing how an Angry Monkey long bike will turn out, but that makes it all the more exciting to watch. Good luck (as if you need it)!
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Oh goodie! Dan, you lucky man!
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Going to be interesting...I'm hooked already!
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More pics! Please?
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Thanks for the kind words guys! I will try to answer questions and update with pics as I have time. This is going to be fun!


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I assume belt primary?
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Yes, BNR belt drive primary. Podtronics EI and rectifier, not sure if I'm using a battery or not at this point.

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Wow, I'm suprized thats for sure. I look forward to seeing you version of a long bike. You got some nice bits to star with.
Can't wait to this build take shape and the details you are going to come up with along the way.
Do I see a prism tank in the far distance?
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Haha! Maybe. I'll have to pitch the idea to the client.

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Lester.. prism tank?... if Dan decides to go that route.. I've got one on my shelf I would gladly donate to this build..
That would be awesome! Can you send pics? Thanks!

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Well, it is nearly Christmas. I'm having real difficulty picturing how an Angry Monkey long bike will turn out, but that makes it all the more exciting to watch. Good luck (as if you need it)!
I am also having difficulty picturing how this will turn out. It's like a bizzaro-build for me

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More pics! Please?
This is the only other pic I have. However, latest word is the frame has had to be re-made for some reason. So it may be slightly different that the pics posted thus far.
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I liked it just as it was, good luck with your makeover!
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Following for sure, Rock on Dan!!!
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Yep, it didn't look too bad at first blush to me either, but the work was tweaker-level, back-alley stuff. Add to that the frame had been "tagged" by another state's DMV as a '97. This put it out of contention for being used.

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Thanks Steve! There will be a few of your parts on there too when it's all said and done.

Here is the latest pic I have of the frame, even though it is probably all together by now. Yes, I am excited!
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Today when i discovered that my cat had stretched out someones small intestents from end to end (yet again) in my hall way, i couldn't help but thinkin of you.

If you'd like to throw her in jail i wouldn't mind.
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Today when i discovered that my cat had stretched out someones small intestents from end to end (yet again) in my hall way, i couldn't help but thinkin of you.

If you'd like to throw her in jail i wouldn't mind.
HA! If she can stretch out mole intestines, I'll take her! I can't seem to get rid of them here.
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HA! If she can stretch out mole intestines, I'll take her! I can't seem to get rid of them here.
Pinwheels,Dan, think pinwheels.
If that don't work I got a bad ass bull dog I will send your way.
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All kinds of awesome happening. Long bike, intestine stretching. What a world.
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Frame is finished, now I just have to get it and the other stuff I sent back here. I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with the wheels shown here. They are all the rage with the "green" crowd, and the price was right, but if the client rides in the rain, it may present a bit of a problem.
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They are all the rage with the "green" crowd,
- I think you could use some shed / fence treatment on them to prolong their wet weather usability.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with the wheels shown here. They are all the rage with the "green" crowd, and the price was right, but if the client rides in the rain, it may present a bit of a problem.
We have a new winner in the skinniest wheel contest!
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Gonna be curious about the front motormount and head steadies..
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I like it... alot
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Looking really good.
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like the stance

wooden wheels?

yeah - why not just let 'em grow ...
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Man where can see more of that COE in the back ground of the skinny wheel pic? Is that a ford? The frame is cool of course, I'm just a whore for COE trucks
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That COE looks like a 38 ford
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I was thinking late thirties.
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1939 coe's definitely looked like this. I'm pretty sure that '38s did also. however, according to this site it could also be a '37 or '40.
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How bout this one? Sorry Dan - OT

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Quick update, more pics to come once I get a minute to catch my breath...

Frame finally arrived after over a year of excuses from frame guy #1. Frame guy #2 delivered in aces: Speed Devices.

The wheels are not staying, I just needed to see what would fit before I get the right ones: 21" front, 16" rear.

This is my son finishing up his first wheel lacing attempt.


He was more than a little happy with the results.


Here is a shot from either side to give an idea of stance. The wheel on the front is a 19", so is 1" smaller in overall diameter, but the rear (right size) but is worn flat, so it is pretty close to overall stance. Prizm tank is compliments of Rob Axle. I think it looks perfect for this bike but will have to get client buy-in before I mount it. Thanks a million Rob!


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Wow yeah, that's sweet.
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Anything I can do to help... I am still curious about the head steadies and front motor mounts.... at one point I ran my 650 without head steadies and it caused my rear downtube to split.. not sure if it was the only reason for this failure .. but the more information gathered the better.
Wow, that tank looks at home on that style frame.. the lines carry through.... if your client doesn't care for it, no issues, hang it on your wall..,
Keep us posted on the build .. especially the details ...
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Looks like the tank was made fir this build
Looking good Dan. Good to see your son showing interrest, that mean your doing it right.

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Looks great Dan, you must be so proud of your son and that he likes to help out and learn from a master.

Rob, I have no doubt that Dan will come up with something beautiful for head steadies.
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Wow yeah, that's sweet.
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Anything I can do to help... I am still curious about the head steadies and front motor mounts.... at one point I ran my 650 without head steadies and it caused my rear downtube to split.. not sure if it was the only reason for this failure .. but the more information gathered the better.
Wow, that tank looks at home on that style frame.. the lines carry through.... if your client doesn't care for it, no issues, hang it on your wall..,
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The front motor mount is on if you look closely. There will be head steadies installed, but there are a other things that need doing first.

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Rob, I have no doubt that Dan will come up with something beautiful for head steadies.
I am proud of him. He is a great young man. Maybe some of the things he is learning will serve him well in the future. We are having fun working together regardless Yes, Head steadies are on the way, it just takes some podering to come up with an elegant solution that will work with all this negative space.

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Yep, I got him started, and he followed through with the basic lacing.

I finished truing the wheels last night and am getting the tire mounted and balanced today...


Top view of gas tank too...
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updates....

Both wheels, front sprocket, chain, and chain tensioner are in place...


This is something I always do to tidy up the rear of the bike; Basically, I remove extra links from the chain then set the chain tension with the axle in its furthest position forward in the axle plates. Next, I figure how the chain adjuster plate and nut will fit on the axle adjuster stud and set the rear wheel alignment. If necessary, I trim the axle plates so all of it fits together in more of a purposeful way. I'm sure I'm not the only one here that doesn't like seeing unused axle slot forward of the axle nut Here is the layout before trimming...


After trimming...


To clean the profile, instead of using the standard brake-stay strut, I use a kit I have made to convert the brake-stay to one similar to how the factory rigid works. Another block is welded onto the brake plate stud.


This is how it all fits together. There is enough clearance to allow for the thickness of powder coating.
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Looks amazing!!

I also love the chunky front tyre, I have a bit of a things with knobby tyres at the moment! seen a knuck with a knobby back tyre and really dig it!

That tank is made for that frame sir.
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There's something very satisfying about watching a bike go together the right way, rather than halfassed.
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That rear brake stay is very nice Dan, another small detail that sets the bike apart
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Is it safe to say that you have come over to the dark ... er long bike side?
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Looks amazing!!

I also love the chunky front tyre, I have a bit of a things with knobby tyres at the moment! seen a knuck with a knobby back tyre and really dig it!

That tank is made for that frame sir.
I like the looks of knobbies, but after building a bike with dual sport knobbies, front and rear, I'm going to stick with more traditional rubber. The handling was a bit unsettling for me.

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Thanks Tom. There will be more details to come. Well, more weirdness too.

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Erm......It depends on how this one pans out. I come from sports bike and sports car background, so long bikes are still, well, alien to me.

Well, back to the updates:

The client is looking over this tank. Since he lives in a remote-ish area, he needs more fuel capacity than the prizm has. But I won't know for sure which one to go with until next week.


Also, thanks to Englishman, I have the risers sorted. They are 1.25" stainless bar stock drilled/tapped in 1/2-13 top and bottom. Since the rear legs are 8" apart, this is a good method to keep the bars from hitting the gas tank. I used B7 threaded rod between the risers and rear leg. This stuff is roughly twice the strength of un-alloyed threaded rod, and is close to grade8 specs. So remember kids, if you have to use all-thread, ask for the B7 shizzle.

I stepped the bottom of the risers .100" up and .250 in, so they contacted the leg and the top clamp simultaneously when installed.


Then some Puaghco clamps topped them off.


This bike will be getting forward controls. Not "Blow air up your trouser legs" forwards, just more forward than stock. Make no mistake, I HATE forwards on Triumphs. So I needed to come up with controls that work, fit, and don't stick out like a dog's balls. Also, they cannot drag ground in turns. Sooooooo, Here's what I came up with after propping my feet on strategically placed stacks of lumber while sitting where the saddle will go, and with my hands on the bars. The pic below shows one of three 1/2" stainless rods, per side, that will snake around the engine to support a threaded bung that a set of Joker Machine rear sets will eventually live in. I thought the bent bars/bungs would look a more elegant solution than a bunch of thick flat steel brackets bulging out all over the place (standard pre-made forwad controls). It doesn't look like much now, but be patient.
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I can see where you're going with this one Dan. Love that look.

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Quick update....

The forward control mounts are complete as is the shift linkage. Next is sorting the brake linkage. Since the forward foot controls have much less leverage than the looooong stock foot pedal, I will have an additional lever midway, to correct that. Jam nuts on the linkage and better hardware were added after these pics were taken.








While there is some asymmetry in the brackets, because of the shape of the engine, the foot rests are level and even on both the horizontal and vertical axis. I tried to keep the top/forward bars shape the the same though since they are more prominent.
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This is the start of the mid linkage spindle. It is cold rolled turned and threaded waiting to be trimmed and have lever arms attached. It will live where the stock brake pedal spindle used to go.


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I like that! Looks comfy
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The forward control mounts are complete as is the shift linkage. Next is sorting the brake linkage. Since the forward foot controls have much less leverage than the looooong stock foot pedal, I will have an additional lever midway, to correct that. Jam nuts on the linkage and better hardware were added after these pics were taken.



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Update! Exhaust time!

There are several things this exhaust must do:
Have general flow of original design off the head. They must NOT interfere with: ARD magneto, forward controls, riders footwear, passenger's feet/legs. They must be higher than the bottom frame rails for ease of service and ground clearance. They must be basically symmetrical left to right and follow some of the established lines of the bike's components. The cocktail shaker mufflers must match the lower frame rail's angle up to the axle plates. Whew! So, yeah, there has been some maths going on, as well as some serious head scratching.

After coming up with a design that "should" work, here is where they are so far. The next challenge will be getting the left pipe to match the right.


This pic shows how the right pipe follows the line of the shift linkage.


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that exhaust is a tall order! lookin good though.
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Thanks Joel!

Here is a little progress on the pipes.
The 1/4" boards are in place to keep the pipes level with, and above the bottom of the frame. They also serve well as a physical template to sketch pipe angles and cut lines.

The brake linkage is propped out of the way for the moment. The pipes had to get fully done before I made the brake linkage arms to avoid interference issues. This also allows me to have everything tuck in nice and tight together.


I use silicon bronze to fill imperfections, then file smooth. Have I mentioned how exhausting metal finishing is? Yeah. The pipe on this side needed to tuck in tight to the frame so the side stand can park more out of the way.


This shows puzle pipe piece #7 for this side. It will kick up the cocktail shakers to the same angle as the lower frame rails that go up to the axle plates.
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HAHA! You are too kind. Honestly, this whole LONG bike/forward controls/mufflers/ARD thing is a bit weird to me Good news though, the client decided to go with the prism tank and a LOT lower risers. So it may be more "digger" than "chopper" when it's all done.
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Sorry Dan, stupid question: you use silicon bronze on the exhausts? Would it show up when polished or are they getting some other treatment? I've never used it and I'm sure I'll feel an idiot when you reply.
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That's not a stupid question. The pipes are mild steel and are mostly fused, steel filler was only used in a few places. I use SB as filler on low spots (non structural) because it goes on at a lower temp than mild steel or stainless, while still bonding well with the parent metal. The lower temp reduces warp/shrink when you have to do a bit of clean-up/fill. The pipes will be ceramic coated when they are done. SB is also handy on old and new gas tanks to address leaks/pinholes for the same reason: lower heat = reduced/eliminated warp/shrink.
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Thanks Dan, good tip - I'll have to try some of that stuff one day. Love the way this is progressing.
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Nice work and another great tip to jot down.
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Small update. I pushed this thing outside to clean up and to check the lines. right side pipes took 4 pieces, left side 7 pieces. Also the prism tank and much lower risers look better to me.




Next will be metal-finishing the right pipe and securing the both pipes to the frame at the front and middle. The cocktail shakers have rear mounts on but not quite finished. After that will be getting the rear brake linkage/pivot/brake-switch sorted. Then it will be on to the fun stuff
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That tank is everything. Brant will be pleased. The lines are spot on.
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I didn't doubt you for a second Dan, but I just couldn't quite visualise an Angry Monkey longbike. And prism tanks, well they work sometimes. Now it's a roller...wow, really great lines and the tank looks spot on - I can't wait to see how this turns out now!

Somehow I hope there won't be a sissy bar on this particular bike, but if that's the way you're going I'm sure you'll change my mind.
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I like it alot. Love the prism tank, give it just the right attitude.

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Just throwing this out there, but to my eye I think it would flow a lot better if the tank profile was dropped over the frame so that the bottom was level and the lower front angle matched the down tubes. Of course, then you'd lose a lot of capacity and have to move the filler, probable need cross over tube and vent also. Maybe 2 piece prism tank with the tops flush with the top rail????
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I like it. I think the tank flows well with the rest of the bike.
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That tank is everything. Brant will be pleased. The lines are spot on.
Thanks! Brant is definitely the long bike guy around here I'm sure he'll chime in shortly.

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I didn't doubt you for a second Dan, but I just couldn't quite visualise an Angry Monkey longbike. And prism tanks, well they work sometimes. Now it's a roller...wow, really great lines and the tank looks spot on - I can't wait to see how this turns out now!
Somehow I hope there won't be a sissy bar on this particular bike, but if that's the way you're going I'm sure you'll change my mind.
Ha! Being my first long bike, I find myself doubting almost everything This client ride ALOT, and much of the time 2-up, so a sissy bar will be going on. Just a small one though.

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I like it alot. Love the prism tank, give it just the right attitude.
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Thanks Lester. It looks more "digger" than "choppa" with that tank. Obviously The lower the better to my eye.

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Just throwing this out there, but to my eye I think it would flow a lot better if the tank profile was dropped over the frame so that the bottom was level and the lower front angle matched the down tubes. Of course, then you'd lose a lot of capacity and have to move the filler, probable need cross over tube and vent also. Maybe 2 piece prism tank with the tops flush with the top rail????
Haha! Well, to my eye everything about this bike looks odd, but I think that's mostly because I usually build tightly packaged short and low bikes . This guy does a ton of long haul riding and this tank is already short on capacity. It has the highest tunnel of any prism, so that's as low as it is going to get. Some of the space between the tank and engine will fill with other stuff, but it is a long bike, so there is going to be some negative space in that area.

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Thanks for the feedback, I need all I can get with this one
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Oh C'mon Dan... you know you are having fun. I mean just look at it. Its perfect!!!

Wait til you ride it at speed. Oh am I jealous. Im gonna say it... In my opinion this is the best trump long bike Ive seen. No offense to the others out there... this one fits as my favorite.


Now dont go gettin a big head there Dan. My opinion is not worth much. Take it and two pennies and you will have 2 cents.
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Looking good!

I used a prism tank on my Triumph build, but I didn't like the way the rear of the tank tapered into the frame. Ended up raising the rear and chopping off the end to flow better with the front of the seat. Fit the lines of the frame better too. Just an idea!

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Update! Progress has been slow due to a death in the family and a dirt bike related torn calf muscle. But now we are back on track. The oil tank is built and mounted. I used blind threaded bungs in the oil tank to reduce the overall unit width while maintaining full thread engagement. Both rear motor mounts will get their excess fat trimmed off for a cleaner look as well as a few gussets to stiffen them both up.




This aftermarket motor mount was flexing when the brake was applied so it got a couple gussets near the mounting bolts to stiffen it up.
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I bet the weld between those two gussets was a be-otch. Nice work
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Haha! Yes, I had to stick my tungsten WAY out to get in there.
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Haha! Yes, I had to stick my tungsten WAY out to get in there.


Looks great though.

I see you're going for the skinny, simplex chain type rear guard. Are you going to fabricate some cobweb style struts?
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Looks great though.

I see you're going for the skinny, simplex chain type rear guard. Are you going to fabricate some cobweb style struts?


TOO funny! There will eventually be a more substantial rear fender than just the chain laying on there. I doubt the overall effectiveness of a "chain fender", but to each his own...
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This is really coming along nicely. Did you use bends, or did you start with exhaust donuts?


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That's right! If you want to meet up and/or see one of our bikes, we will be in Austin TX for the Hand built show in just a couple weeks. Shoot me a PM if you plan to attend.


This is the bike that will be in the show...

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Dan,

That bike looks kick ass. Who makes the Springer on that bike and is it -2 under or ?



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go long or go home!!!! looking good, but aren't the cool guys on here anti long bike? or was that last week?
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That bike looks kick ass. Who makes the Springer on that bike and is it -2 under or ?
It is a Euro-made, stock length, knuckle springer from Visionary.

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Granted, it's not as awesome as your boosted flatty, but thanks!


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go long or go home!!!! looking good, but aren't the cool guys on here anti long bike? or was that last week?
Hahaha! I don't know what those guys are into these days. The only thing I know for sure is I'm not cool enough to be in that club.
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I dinno Dan. This long bike should be the one featured. I mean anyone can build a short bike.
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Anyone?!

Have you looked at CL lately?!
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Have you looked at CL lately?!

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Long bike update.
Fabricator Kevin made a slick stainless caliper bracket to work with this narrow springer setup.


Fender time. 13 gauge hand spun goodness laid out and ready to cut




All bungs were faced off as necessary so their faces would all recess 1/8" inboard of the plane of the upper and lower frame rails.


The chain guard made, cut and rear mount finished, front mount is yet to be done.


Here is the rear end somewhat put back together with the sissy bar held in position w/magnets. The sissy angle is the same as the downtubes.
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I didn`t check the progress of this thread for quiet some time

dude! I'm impressed!

cool bike overall with some real nice `n interesting details
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OK, I can live with that sissy bar but need a full shot to confirm.
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How did you build a long bike that doesn't make the Triumph engine look tiny and lonely? Really nice.
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I didn`t check the progress of this thread for quiet some time. dude! I'm impressed! Cool bike overall with some real nice `n interesting details
Thanks! Hopefully the rest will come together well.

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Haha! Me too! My shop is too narrow for my camera to get a full side pic of this long beast, I tried. I may have to roll it outside for the full effect.

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Well, I'm not sure at this point. There will be some nice head steadies in some of the negative space up front, but at this point I'm working to get the tins sorted. And thanks!
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Early days for this question Dan, but how many miles do you plan to put on this before handing it over?

Mississippi to Sturgis is 1388.4 miles. I just checked.

Is he the sort who is happy to do roadside oil changes and the like?
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My bet he likes the ride better.

Of course you have to roll a loooong bike out for a good look. Thats the right time to really study it.
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Mississippi to Sturgis is 1388.4 miles. I just checked.

Is he the sort who is happy to do roadside oil changes and the like?
Before I release any bike, I put at least 150 shakedown miles on it. A trip of that length would require an oil change along the way, but nothing an Xpress Lube place couldn't handle. But all that is a mute point as the engine is not built yet (I am not building this engine) so can not be delivered in time for him to make the trip.
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My bet he likes the ride better.

Of course you have to roll a loooong bike out for a good look. Thats the right time to really study it.
The roll-out will be happening this weekend, so we will see.

Until then, I got a few mundane things wrapped up. I built some head steadies, and since these will be more front and center I decided to make some counter bored bungs for the head steady studs/nuts, and a counter bored and blind bung for the back bone side of things. The angle they point up from the engine is the same as the tappet covers to maintain some continuity of the shapes involved around the engine. The studs are flush with the tops of the nuts and the nuts are just below being flush with the tops of my bungs. More pics will be posted in the next few days.


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Them are some fine-lookin' steadies.
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Update!
My band-saw shredded its belt so I was stuck doing not-tins related work this week. I got Fabricator Kevin's very well made caliper bracket installed. For it to work I made two stainless stepped bushings to position the bracket so the caliper would be centered on the rotor. The stay mount was a bit close to the caliper, so I had to die-grind out a recess in the caliper (glad I went with natural alloy finish on the caliper) to clear the heim joint head.




After much research and head scratching, I finally figured out how to put a front fender on this thing that doesn't stick out like a dog's balls. The issue is the HUGE amount of articulation this springer is capable of. With weight on the springer, the wheel STILL has over 5" of potential upward travel before the springs bind. So, mounting the fender on the front or rear legs of the springer would mean a 5"+ gap between the fender and tire....absolutely unacceptable.

So here is the plan.... Make a somewhat matching caliper bracket and brake stay strut for the right side, and mount the fender to it and the caliper bracket on the left. This setup will allow a snug mounted fender that will articulate WITH the wheel instead of in FEAR of it
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^Ha, as I was reading this I came up with the same scenario as you for the mounting of the mudguard. The only difference was that you already had a way to do it where I was still in the theory stage!

Good plan as ever though Dan, this bike is crazy!
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Fender!???!!!
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I was thinking the same thing Jaws. Maybe the bike is going to where the law requires one.
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Bingo! This bike is getting exported to a country that requires a front "mud guard". So yeah.
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I was wondering how you were gonna pull off those headsteadies .. mounting them to the back... that is thinking outside the box...
Look'n good
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Look'n good
Thanks Rob! Necessity is the mother of invention.

Small update...

Since this is my fist real sissy bar, I ended up tweaking how it was bent and mounted to make it appear more symmetrical where it meets the fender, pics will be posted when I get the bike back outside.

The client wanted pocketed mounts on the gas tank, which I agreed would be better than just tabs at the front and back of the tank. So here is the process I used to be sure the pockets were symmetrical, and lined up true across the tunnel.

The first step was to make one long pocket...




I forgot to get a few pictures: welding the blind threaded bungs to the pocket, cutting/trimming the gas tank for the one big pocket, marking the tank lines on the big pocket and cutting it into two small pockets, but I swear I did it

Here are the new pockets welded to the bottom of the gas tank.


This is pic of the mount bar on the tank, but not welded to the frame. I made the mount from the backbone to this bar already, Hopefully that will get welded on by the end of this weekend. The rear tab will get a counter bored bung and a corresponding threaded bung in the backbone.


I also got the Biltwell saddle hinge welded to the backbone.
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Great pocket trick!
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The front braket and brake stay are sweet too

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The front braket and brake stay are sweet too

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Thanks Lester!

Small update...

I duplicated the heim strut and brake bracket bushings in stainless for the matching bracket Fabricator Kevin is making to support the right side of the front fender


The gas tank is finally in its final resting place.


To eliminate paint "squish" on the tail of the tank where it bolts to the backbone, I went with a counterbored bung. This way any squish is recessed and hidden. I accounted for a leather washer between the tank bung and the backbone threaded bung so any tank movement won't fatigue the rear tank tab.


The client wants to use Chopper shox on the saddle, but I have read SO many complaints about them, AND he is out of business. Is there a good coil-over/shock saddle combo out there that has a proven track record? Next will be a battery box, pillion pad, and passenger pegs. Here is a pic of how things are filling in...
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Are you going to mold it any, or let those nice welds show?
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So I guess he decided to go with that tank... I know it sounds weird but it does fit that frame...
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Are you going to mold it any, or let those nice welds show?
My body guy will mold the welds on the tank nice and tight. I like nice welds as much as the next guy, but most of my clients are after a more finished, streamlined look. The welds on the frame won't get molded, they will just get powder coated.

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So I guess he decided to go with that tank... I know it sounds weird but it does fit that frame...
That tank fits the frame like a glove! It appears to be well made and symmetrical too. Thanks again for that!

After searching high and low, I couldn't find any passenger pegs that looked right, were the right size, or were made well enough to fill the bill. So I turned these last night to closely match the Joker Machine ones up front.

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So cool. Would look even cooler ..... outside.
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This bike is really coming together nicely. I am not a big fan of coffin/prism tanks but this one is perfect for this build. Nice work. Have you decided on a color yet?
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I hope your client has long hair, because he's going to be rocking this freedom chopper. I'd have to wear a wig.
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So cool. Would look even cooler ..... outside.
And a "First Fire-Up" video too.....haha.
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great work Dan, as always i'm trigered do build after seeing your work

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Banana ?.. nah I go my money on a handel for something... pliers maybe
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Haha! Be patient, I'll get to it soon enough

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This bike is really coming together nicely. I am not a big fan of coffin/prism tanks but this one is perfect for this build. Nice work. Have you decided on a color yet?
Same. I also am not a fan of angular things, but it seems to work on this long thing. The client wants the same blues as "Gonzo". As for the design, he has given me carte blanche. My painter will love that!

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I hope your client has long hair, because he's going to be rocking this freedom chopper. I'd have to wear a wig.
Lookin great Dan.
Ha! Word to the mothership! This will be the first long bike I've ridden with proper rake/trail, so I'm pumped to ride it too.

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Aren't Sharpies great!? Better eat that banana though before it goes off in the Mississippi heat!
I do love some sharpie! And that banana is actually a T-handle allen driver I did try eating it, but ended up chipping a tooth.

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Correct! No banana! T-handle allen driver.
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You wont want to admit it at first. That is perfectly normal, you'll go through denial and tell everyone "it was ok". Then it will slowly, at first, grow. The seed was planted....

You will find yourself smiling and chuckling over thoughts of how fun it was. All the other bikes will sorta lack something. That will be sad at first. It will be ok. The solition is more long bike.... just like more cowbell.

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I had a little time to get this beast outside (JAWS ). Then I got the license plate and tail lights on the sissy. The reason for the extra space on either side of the license plate is that the base is sized for the plates of the country to which the bike is going. I will trim this one for our US plates so it doesn't look wonky during test miles and the photo session, and make another base for the client to drill for his plate once he gets his bike.

The pillion pad is just sitting there, as I have yet to figure out exactly how that is going to work out. We had discussed using threaded bungs, so a small luggage rack, in the style of vintage triumph tank rack, could go in place of the pillion when needed. opinions?




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There is nothing I don't like about this bike, all the details and fab work is super slick. 10/10 would ride the shit out of.
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I have to agree. Superb Dan, absolutely a dream. The proportions are perfect. I can almost hear it.

Make me want to go ride my bike.... even if its raining.


Thanks for the pictures and inspiration.
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Wow, this thing just gets better and better. I absolutely love this bike. Impatiently waiting for finished product. Hats off to you sir.
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More updates! And thanks for the kinds words guys!

The client wants to have the option of having his girl ride with him, or having a way to haul gear on longer rides. So in addition to the pillion pad I figured a luggage rack could fit on the same bungs. Soooooo, here's what I did...

First up was cutting and welding bungs to the rear fender, which presented its own problems. Getting the threaded bungs on the fender in the right position was the first issue, since basically the fender is a compound curve, I couldn't simply mark where to position the bungs AND have them sit level with each other left-to-right. So here was my solution; transfer the pillion's grommet centers to card stock, punch the holes, sandwich the card between the bungs then I had only to check squareness off the sissy. All that was left was to double-triple-quadruple check everything and tack them in place, then double-check them again just to be sure.

The grommets in the pillion were not perfectly square, so I split the differences dimensionaly so my bungs would be perfectly square. The pillion was able to stretch a bit to fit on my bungs. The pic below is not where the bungs actually attached, it is only to show how the card holds them level and at the right distance.

installed!


Next was the rack. The goal was to loosely replicate the style of rack on vintage Triumph gas tank racks. Here is step two. I skipped showing cutting this buck out and heating/bending 5/16" stainless bar stock because I only have two hands at this time Step three was tweaking the rectangle a bit and welding the ends together


This is after filing the union and blasting the ring so the supports will be clean to weld on.


Steps were skipped in the excitement to build my first rack. Sorry, not sorry. Here is the finished rack, which is by the way level with the bottom frame rails.
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One other thing got done this week, the oil pressure gauge mount. I turned a counter bored bung for a head bolt and used a bit of steel tube and some 1/4" stainless rod to hold this guy in just the right spot to be viewed from the saddle.




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Brilliant detailing as always Dan - great stuff.
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I love that gauge mount Dan, that's a really nice detail. The thing itself looks tiny, what does that measure?
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Thanks! That gauge face is about 1.5" wide.
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Details schmeetails....they are great and all. Real cool and functional. What I want to know is how does it feel? Not how do you feel... you use your hands, I know that.

I am waiting for the first ride report.

Because.... we in the long bike community could use a man if your stature.
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Details schmeetails....they are great and all. Real cool and functional. What I want to know is how does it feel? Not how do you feel... you use your hands, I know that.

I am waiting for the first ride report.

Because.... we in the long bike community could use a man if your stature.
Haha! If you are waiting for a ride report, you better buckle up for a long wait. This bike is nowhere near being done. The engine has barely been cracked open and the tins are at least a month away from going through the body shop/design/paint process.

As far as how I "feel"...... uh, well, I feel like the bike is starting to come together as a package Honestly, though, I'm not getting a special fuzzy feeling about this bike (or any bike at this stage). There are too many things that are still unresolved for that. Final assembly is when I get excited. When all the planning, problem-solving, engineering, fabrication, and paint/art all come together as a unified product, that is when I know whether or not to celebrate, and breath a sigh of relief. I see things in this world as symmetrical, or asymmetrical. I see patterns in everything and they are either even or odd, I see overall designs as full, finished, functional, and pleasing, or lumpy, disjointed and lacking. I can see potential, but I only get excited about a finished product. Is that what you are looking for Brant? If not, sorry about the existential, metaphorical rant.
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I got alittle excited about that oil gauge braket.... similar to my gauge brackets only much better.... lol. Its not easy to build a cool and practical choppa but it looks like you're about to pull that off too.

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Its coming together very nicely...
Am enjoying the build...
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Might I suggest a book that may elevate some "creative" issues...

The War of Art..
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enjoyed the rant, and can relate. However, i think Jaws was looking for your feelings about riding a LONG BIKE! sounds as if he will have to wait.

lookin' good btw. Not an easy task to fulfill all of your customers' desires, and still come out with something that looks good!
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Joel is right..... however, I can relate. I am excited though as I know you are very talented and a long bike from your stable is bound to be epic. Im just stoked that a one is getting smoe love from you. No pressure or expectations here just a statement of fact. You build fantastic bikes. Ive liked them all and the process is great to learn from.

If I have to wait, I know it will be worth it. But I dont have to like waiting. Im glad you take pictures. They are like hits to an addict.

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As usual, I am in left field. Sorry for the weird rant then

Small update...

The custom pillion pegs are in their final place. I had my wife hop up there and check the fit. Did I mention this is the first time I've built a two-up bike? I figured it would be uncomfortable, but she says she easily ride back there with no problem. I took a little length off the pegs too, since the knuckle puts them further out.


When folded, they will be at the same angle as the sissy.


This bike is getting a motogadget m-unit. The place I selected to put it was beneath the saddle. The reason the mount tabs are above the unit is, when the unit is centered with the tubing (profile view), the brackets would be visible from below, and they would meet the tubing at a very steep angle. The client does not want ANY wiring run through the frame tubing, so I will have to come up with an attractive way to manage it along the tubing.




I FINALLY completed metal finishing the balance of the exhaust pipes. This meant finishing the other mounting brackets. to keep things rigid and uncluttered up front, I mounted the exhaust to the existing forward control bungs. There is also a mount in the seat-post area, and at the end of the cocktail shakers. Pics of those will follow later.


This bike had to have a horn to be legal. Horns are unsightly. After weighing all the unoccupied space, I settled on the area next to the magneto on a simple bracket. Please ignore the fact that there is no nut on that stud


I got this jewel from Dan at Franz and Grubb too. A 1" polished alloy Amal single-carb throttle assembly. Next will be narrowing the bars and getting the GMA controls up there to see how it all looks up high. I got the headlight mount finished too, but will wait to post pics of it until I can push it outside again.
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My (admittedly one time) experience with welding brackets to exhaust pipes like that resulted in a very quick failure. Tore the bracket right off leaving a clean hole all the way around the weld area. Ever since I tend to gusset exhaust brackets to spread the load better to withstand vibration and expansion. YMMV
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My (admittedly one time) experience with welding brackets to exhaust pipes like that resulted in a very quick failure. Tore the bracket right off leaving a clean hole all the way around the weld area. Ever since I tend to gusset exhaust brackets to spread the load better to withstand vibration and expansion. YMMV
There are a LOT of things at play in securing an exhaust system: rigidity of engine mount in relation to the frame, number and quality of exhaust pipe mounts, length of pipes, weight of mufflers if used, wall thickeness of pipe, quality of pipe steel, quality of welds (temperature? Undercut? Porosity? Back purging? or lack thereof), time lapsed; rust?, and who knows what else

I tend to over-kill exhaust mounts. Most of my builds with short pipes will have four to six exhaust mounts. This chopper and the one below have pipes secured in six places (one mount is hidden on back of pipes in the area of the shift peg). I have yet for a mount to fail, and I hope I never do.

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you may want to try this once just to check it out - no welding - easy to lose if you don't like it - plus i'm sure with your talent you could make it more attractive
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do this and the pipe will never shake loose
flat stock between both pipe clamps and a p clamp to the frame on each pipe
mine has been on for 7 years and never moved
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you may want to try this once just to check it out - no welding - easy to lose if you don't like it - plus i'm sure with your talent you could make it more attractive
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do this and the pipe will never shake loose
flat stock between both pipe clamps and a p clamp to the frame on each pipe
mine has been on for 7 years and never moved
That is a brilliant mod! I remember seeing your post about this years ago and thinking if I ever had a chronic issue, I'd give it a shot.
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That is a brilliant mod! I remember seeing your post about this years ago and thinking if I ever had a chronic issue, I'd give it a shot.
where you welded to the forward controls just looked to me as if they may have been not needed with the flat stock at the exhaust clamps

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where you welded to the forward controls just looked to me as if they may have been not needed with the flat stock at the exhaust clamps
You may be right. But, the reason I put mounts down from the head is to have more leverage to keep the pipes from moving/vibrating and causing spigot issues. Most spigot issues I've had the displeasure of repairing look to have been caused by vibration of unsupported/under-supported pipes for many miles. The worst was a head that had practically no threads for either spigot to bite into. It required making a tap to cut oversize threads in the head and turning oversized spigots on the lathe. Many of my clients (like this one will) actually stack the miles to these bikes, so if there is any question on design, I will always go with over-building it rather than risk a failure in the field.
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To hide wiring, I've run it through tubing. Polished stainless, polished aluminum or painted steel.

Love the pass pegs!
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To hide wiring, I've run it through tubing. Polished stainless, polished aluminum or painted steel.

Love the pass pegs!
Thanks on the passenger pegs.

He wants keep the wiring out of any tubes, frame included. So I am going to crib this idea I saw at the Hand-built Show in Austin. Something like this maybe. I can't find any of these weld-on lugs. Any idea where they are from? Custom made? Any Help would be appreciated.
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Check out bicycle frame building sites (with fork ends, lugs, bottom-bracket shells and the like). Ive seen those everywhere as cable guide braze-ons.
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http://www.henryjames.com/hydraulic-...de-w-clip.html
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Check out bicycle frame building sites (with fork ends, lugs, bottom-bracket shells and the like). Ive seen those everywhere as cable guide braze-ons.
Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for. Actually MORE than I was looking for, as I may be able to use other bicycle hardware in other areas.

The next thing I need to figure out is how to secure the brake hose to the Sugar Bear springer rear leg on its way to the master cylinder. The legs are chrome, so it needs to be something non-invasive. I am ok with something billet. Any ideas?
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How hard/crazy/sacrilegious would it be to drill and fill two little holes in the top and bottom of the leg and run the cable internally? Certainly would be clean... especially with a cover plate of some sort: http://www.henryjames.com/cover-plate-pair.html
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Thank you Eric for this link. Mr. James sure has some interesting parts available priced right too.
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How hard/crazy/sacrilegious would it be to drill and fill two little holes in the top and bottom of the leg and run the cable internally? Certainly would be clean... especially with a cover plate of some sort: http://www.henryjames.com/cover-plate-pair.html
That cover is neat for sure! But this client wants all his wiring run on the outside of the frame. This would includes the legs of the springer. I see that J&P and Lowbrow have some billety clamps that may be the ticket to manage that line.
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One more option (Because I know I'd be real picky about how this line was run):

Use Stainless/chrome hardline for the majority of the run down the leg, then just lightly 'lash' it on with a small saddle for standoff against the leg maybe with one of the clunkier billety clamps at the extreme top and bottom?
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One more option (Because I know I'd be real picky about how this line was run):

Use Stainless/chrome hardline for the majority of the run down the leg, then just lightly 'lash' it on with a small saddle for standoff against the leg maybe with one of the clunkier billety clamps at the extreme top and bottom?
Ha! I hadn't thought of partial hard line. That is a brilliant solution! Now I just have to figure out the components of that rig. It looks as if I am being forced to participate in world of actual functioning (non-British) brakes. Thanks Eric!
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No prob! Now you can shake the bugs out of my hair-brained idea before I try

Look forward to seeing it!
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And you could secure the hard lines with brake line clamps like the street rod guys use.

http://www.est1946.com/ssbrakelineclamps.aspx
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And you could secure the hard lines with brake line clamps like the street rod guys use.

http://www.est1946.com/ssbrakelineclamps.aspx
Those are nice clamps! I may have to give them a shot
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Didn't willie make some clamps like those on his build thread? Or maybe he modified them to fit the radius of the frame tube ?
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