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Old 07-21-2016, 06:14 PM   #121
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Right now its all slung up with the chain to the tranny in neutral, and spinning it in the air there doesn't seem to be any more than the usual resistance via bearings, chain, and mainshaft...
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Ok good. Glad you sorted that. Truthfully I was sure you already did. Never hurts to ask. I've left simple things before as assumption and reminded by someone later to check and then the "ah ha!" moment. Where I realize..."ah ha"...I am an idiot, again.
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:43 AM   #123
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Bump? Can anyone else weigh in on the rear rim centering issue?
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:50 AM   #124
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You have done a top job
You know what you have to do.
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Old 07-30-2016, 02:18 PM   #125
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You mean dish the rim over to center from where the hub sits now?
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yea
unless you can do something with the sprocket?
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Old 09-10-2016, 02:42 PM   #127
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Back at it for another iteration.


First off, working on welding welding welding... got a TIG machine and am super stoked on the zen of TIG vs the manic spazziod explosion of (my shitty) MIG.

Working some stringer beads on sheet:
IMG_0092 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

And melting aluminum:

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Aluminum because a) I can (its a 200 amp AC/DC machine) and b) I have a nice Lowbrow Al fender I want to use.

I've stared at what feels like MILLIONS of pics of swinger fender setups. Many fall into one of two categories:

1) far too bulky for my tastes... Crazy Frank, Stockers, ones with lots of sidewall coverage, etc) and

2) Too lean/thin, swingarm mounted ones especially, trying to copy the look that is classic and killer on hardtails).

Finger Tight strikes a very good balance, but I also want it to be good enough for a pillion and/or luggage mount. Mr Boyle has explicitly stated his whole goal with Finger Tight is a day tripper (good for him tho, such an iconic bike).

So, my mission is make simply the best looking fender setup ever.
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Old 09-10-2016, 02:55 PM   #128
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So, on the fender topic... first I played with just the fender itself, getting the standoff just right on the tire by stacking layers of old yoga and camping pad on the tire and resting the fender on there.

Then cutting down the fender a bit more.

Then a bit more fiddling... and more snipping. Note that this is all relative to the rear tire at this point, once the bike is on the ground I can do final fitment after the suspensions settles, and I choose between the shorter 12" shocks or whatnot for the final ground clearance.

IMG_0104 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

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To my eye, the "exit angle" of the fender is critical to the final look, as well as the amount of tire covered. For a pillion I'll need at least a little bit of flat section, so the fender goes to about 12-oclock. But should not curve exactly with the tire, it got to have the right "fling" off the tire line... I'm liking where this is ending up.

Then I played with card stock to work out the perfect amount of "beef" and volume for the rear end.

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After some snip and chin scratching... this is gonna look dope.

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Time to get some alloy sheet on order... and practice al TIG over and over and over before I melt my nice fender.
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Hmmm.

I like the whole look there Eric.

How much clearance will you get fully compressed with a rider? With the suspension sagging it looks like alot, but I have a feeling when it's on the ground it will look different.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:38 AM   #130
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How much clearance will you get fully compressed with a rider? With the suspension sagging it looks like alot, but I have a feeling when it's on the ground it will look different.
At this point I am deferring those questions. I am fitting up the fender relative to the tire as it sits, and will adjust when I get the bike on the ground.

I am ignoring the relationship of the fender with the frame, basically getting it to flow with the tire lines and the "volume" of the rear end in general. Once the bike is on the ground I can then get the mounting to the frame, tire clearance, and integration with the seat pan all figured out...

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Old 09-14-2016, 11:49 AM   #131
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I started mocking up the (mostly) final run for the rear exhaust section.

I went back and forth over and over again about collecting the two into once main header (like Caleb Owens' YangYang or Oliver Jones' BF7 mega-black shovelhead) or duals like Cox's Barracuda.

Honestly, the complexity of landing the rear pipe cleanly into the front was REALLY daunting and I took multiple failures at it, so went with the dual pipe route. Both would look killer IMHO.

I had to tweak the front pipe run to clear over the rear exit, but I finally got it poking out into space below it.

IMG_0154 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

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To aid in fishing the rear section through and out the middle of the frame, I added in a slip fit section. This also decouples the final alignment of the two pie runs and will make it MUCH easier to make them dead parallel without putting lots of torque on almost-but-not-quite perfectly aligned pipes.

Mark a line with a super advanced line-o-widget
IMG_0163 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

Cut some kerfs:
IMG_0165 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

Make fit:
IMG_0167 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

And get the exit angle perfect:
IMG_0166 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

At this point I'm going to save myself the embarrassment of showing my tack welds... I have LOTS to learn about TIG still. And will have to brush up on my burn through hole filling before this job is done...
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:52 AM   #132
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And the reveal... Pretty happy how these are shaping up.

Note: both pipes are sagging a bit and will be raised to clear the clutch release arm. In fact, I should pause the exhaust building for a bit and iterate on the drivetrain before I design myself into a corner...

And there are going to be laterally slash cut tips added to the ends too. For dramatic flair and minimization of soot on the rest of the bike...

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Old 09-14-2016, 04:34 PM   #133
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I like it!

I will add this....File fit your joints for tigging and V butt them. That's what I did and I used a jig to hold the pipes together.

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Old 09-14-2016, 05:16 PM   #134
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Good call on that jig.

I keep bouncing back and forth between instantly burning through and not getting a good puddle.

More practice, more practice, practicing more, and trying smaller wire (down from 1/16") should be the ticket...
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Yup. Adjust heat til it puddles and only puddles. Back off to keep it so. I did mine with no filler. Probably should have used it to make it real pretty.



My first weld with a tig...
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:41 PM   #136
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Lookin' good there JAWS!

For now I am just postponing worrying about finish welding and getting my mockups/tacks all set while getting in bench time with the TIG on the side.
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It is so much fun, moving the puddle. I like to get it to strike the arc and then slowly add more juice til I can see the puddle form. Takes more gas and I'm still trying to figure out the best time to add filler. I played around with Tungsten size and filler rod size.....even use mig wire for really small stuff.
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even use mig wire for really small stuff.
Thats on the menu for tonight's practice. I don't have anything under 1/16 for filler, but do have some ~0.028 mig wire. May try to double up on those too and see what I get
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Old 01-07-2017, 08:58 PM   #139
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Still at it, though slow and deliberate.

Weld, cut, grind, stare, swear...

IMG_0395 by Eric Bott, on Flickr

You'll notice I got some tanks finally... though I'd been working on narrowing up my own 5-gal splits, Cody on here had a pre made set. Good quality and for a good price. I'll still work on my in the gaps, but its good to just have a solid set to work with and move forward.

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I had to do a little relieving around the heads, should be easy to patch up and all the cuts will basically be unseen under the tank, on the inside.

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