: Nsu help!!!!!
10-22-2010, 08:14 AM
I purchased an NSU at an auction last Sat to restore it. This is my first restoration project. I am unable to find exactly what year and model my NSU is. The engine serial number is 3281525 and the frame serial number is 1887619. It was advertised as a 1959 SuperMax Scrambler but I cannot confirm this. I am in need of the year and model so I can try to locate parts and in particular, a wiring diagram. I have pics if this will help anyone.
10-22-2010, 08:29 AM
Why not post the pics? probably have more luck.
10-22-2010, 08:30 AM
Try Andy`s Site: http://www.nsu24.de/html/start-english.html
10-22-2010, 08:33 AM
10-22-2010, 09:33 AM
I believe it looks like this,..no?
10-22-2010, 09:44 AM
The MAX-Scrambler for the USA:
<CENTER><TABLE border=0 cellPadding=2 width="95%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%" align=left>http://www.maxfahrer.de/bilder/scramb2.jpg (http://www.maxfahrer.de/bilder/scramb2.jpg)MAX-Scrambler 251OSB - S 20
In 1957 the US-importer ordered a small series of 230 special made NSU MAX bikes for the american "Scramble"-events, a mixture from Moto-Cross and Endurance. Developed from the Gelände-Max, the MAX-scrambler had the following features:
A longer front fork with external dampers; shorter mudguard; 21"- front wheel; smaller headlamp with electric connector, easy to take off; smaller fuel tank from the MAXI; wide off road handlebar; high mounted foot rests; high mounted exhaust system; dual seat; big tail light (like on BMW R 27) on the shortened rear mudguard; rear dampers like on the SUPERMAX. The engine was the normal SUPERMAX engine with 18 bhp, but there was a tune-up-kit available to increase performance. The special made silencer was built to the order of the US-importer, who wanted a "strong sound". It made the "strong sound" but also less power than the series silencer.
12 bikes were delivered to Jugoslawia. In Germany the MAX-Scrambler was not official sold.
(From: Stephan Thum, NSU Max 1952 - 1962, alle Ausführungen) (http://www.maxfahrer.de/maxbuch_e.htm#thum)
10-22-2010, 07:42 PM
wow Ron, 1 of 230 that's a pretty rare bird. It certainly explains why the front forks are unique. Good thing you got the fenders and headlight in the deal eh? Nice score. I'll help where I can.
10-22-2010, 08:39 PM
My compadre "210ken" graciously posted 2 pics of my NSU (thanks Ken). I have not had much luck yet finding what year my bike is yet. Can anyone help? I am looking for a manual with a wiring diagram, I need a coil, headlight lens, tail light and a few other goodies. Parts for sale anyone?? Not much on ebay.....
10-23-2010, 06:52 AM
After reading what Horst posted about the Scrambler and how it came to be here in the states, I'd say it can only be a 57.
Good thing there's no 3 beer rule here on the JJ.
10-23-2010, 08:32 AM
The thing that confuses me is that the pic of the scrambler. The seat doesn't match and the handlebar is shaped differently. Am sure I have a supermax but question whether it's a scrambler or not. Will keep researching.....
10-23-2010, 08:50 AM
Try and find the fork length of either as it states above that the scrambler is 2" longer. You could try and scale it off the bike and the pic. Over the years the bars could have easiliy been changed and it appears the seat could have too if it was the scrambler version. Yours looks like a trials version though - wonder if they made one like that?
10-23-2010, 01:18 PM
Try to get in contact with Wolfgang Schneider. His website is in German but I know he is in contact worldwide with NSU collectors and pilots. He will understand you: http://www.nsu-schneider.de/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=55
10-23-2010, 07:28 PM
Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it
12-15-2010, 12:00 PM
I have this one that I am trying to find out more about it.
I think it's a NSU Supermax or NSU Maxi - Opinions?
Where did you find the frame serial number? i can't find any numbers on mine.
I also found this wiring diagram for a NSU Maxi
01-30-2011, 03:21 PM
Sincerely sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have not been on the site for a long time, no excuse.
By no means am I an expert and am trying to restore mine. Without the front forks, it is harder for me to make somewhat an educated guess. The part that is shown is very similar to my supermax.
To find the frame serial number, when sitting on the bike, its almost straight down on top of the frame on the right side. Hope this helps.
01-31-2011, 06:37 AM
I don't want to be discouraging, but I'm just going to say good luck. I have a 56 supermax, that's still just a heap of parts. Its hard as hell to find parts and nobody to my knowledge makes repops. I haven't touched it in awhile, I decided to build my triumph and then tackle the nsu with some friends fabbing parts that are needed. You can find guys who have a lot of knowledge of them (listed above), but my advice is don't dump a ton of money in it because even though they are rare they're not worth that much and demand isn't too high.
and in particular, a wiring diagram.
Here's the wiring diagram for a mid-late 50's Super Fox. I'd be surprised if the wiring on the SuperMax was different:
02-15-2011, 03:39 PM
Check to see if your frame number is 1837619. If it is this will put the bike in the range of the Scramble Max production. I have 2 that I'm restoring with frame numbers 1837695 and 1837722. Mike Kron of Germany bought one in the States with a frame number of 1837669.
Some key clues to help identify a Scramble Max are of course the extended forks with a 21" wheel, they used a Maxi gas tank, a SuperFox headlight, bobbed SuperFox front fender, shortened rear fender section and fender brackets. There is a special taillight similar to a coffee can BMW. A welded bracket to hold the high mounted foot pegs is just above the rear of engine. There is also a bracket screwed to the frame below the seat on the right side that holds the battery. A special high mounted exhaust is also used. The color is an orangish red called Alfarot or Korallenrot. If you split the front section of the frame and the rear fender, you should find the original color if it wasn't tampered with too much over the years.
There are many suppliers in Germany that carry parts for NSUs, everything from rubber pieces to engine parts. Unfortunately they don't carry Scramble Max specific parts.(Most are modified stock parts) I have dealt with www.motorrad-stemler.de (http://www.motorrad-stemler.de) and www.nsu-motzke.de (http://www.nsu-motzke.de) , they both will deal with you in English.
Jalopyshots, your bike is definitely a Maxi.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/nsujeff/NSU%20bikes/Picture1.jpgHere is a Maxi I restored raced by John Penton
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/nsujeff/NSU%20bikes/nsu4.jpg Back in the day...John Penton and sons
As found,fresh from a henhouse
Dad's and my Maxis are 10 serial numbers apart, he also raced at Jackpine
Any questions just ask, I have NSUs from the 50cc Quickly SuperFoxes, SuperLuxes, Maxis, a SuperMax, ScrambleMaxes and a 1939 251 OSL.
02-26-2011, 02:08 AM
I purchased my first NSU (a 175 Maxi built in Sarajevo) in the fall from an older gentleman who had taken the bike apart in order to have it resprayed. He never really got around to it, so he decided to sell.
This weekend I'm awaiting for another similar Maxi, a parts-bike with some new parts. I was hoping to get it last weekend, but since it has been really cold here - minus 25 to 35 degrees Celsius - the guy who's bringin' the bike cancelled.
To top it off, yesterday I bought another NSU, a Supermax in parts with a freshly rebuilt engine. Couldn't bring all the stuff home yet though.
Oh, I also have a very poor NSU Lux project. It needs about 60 procent of parts...
I visited the Bremen Classic Motor Show in Germany couple of weeks ago, bought some new rubber parts. There was also a rebuilt Supermax engine for 1000 euros.
Nice engine, but I bought my Supermax project for less, far less.
03-01-2011, 05:57 AM
Thanks all for the recent posts. I will do better to access this site as I do want to fully restore my NSU. My frame serial number is 1837618. Though the pics of my bike look rough, all of my sheet metal is in very good shape and will just need to get blasted and repainted.
My father, who can get any type of motor running (he currently restores vintage tractors), was able to get mine running and I even took it for a spin. I am in need of a manual to help us figure out how the NSU gets power, does it use a magneto, generator, battery, etc.
I will contact the recent provided websites to hopefully get a manual and continue my search to learn more about it and to get parts. Need a kickstand as well.
03-01-2011, 05:59 AM
My NSU has a light lavender color, which I have not seen in any other pics of NSUs, does anyone know if this is common for the Scrambler? A powder coater can get close and match the color but I want it to be as original as possible.
I want to thank all again for the posts, its very much appreciated as this is a new adventure for me and am excited about restoring this bike.
03-01-2011, 08:42 AM
Yes, powdercoaters can match pretty close to any color now a days, there is a huge variety to choose from.
03-02-2011, 04:54 PM
I believe the only color for the Scramble Max was the Alfarot or Korallenrot. With that frame number it is definately a scramble Max, a very rare bird, one of less than 230 built.The Max motor uses a battery/generator ignition. The battery sits on a bracket below the seat just above the engine on the right side. You can see it in Horst's picture.
I have some manuals that can be copied or scanned.
Jeff in Amherst, Ohio
03-03-2011, 05:58 AM
Thanks Jeff, thats a big help. I would greatly appreciate copies of the manuals and am more than willing to do the work or pay to have it done. Please let me know how you want to handle this. I will send out more detailed pics soon of the engine, my Dad and I feel that my Scrambler has been modified and I want to get it as original as possible. Any manuals / docs / pics / parts list that can show us exactly how it should be would be greatly appreciated. Tks, Ron
03-03-2011, 06:04 AM
Jeff, forgot to ask also who did your painting for you, especially on the gas tank. I am sure its a little tricky to find someone who does the chrome / paint application to look as good as your Maxi does.
03-03-2011, 08:52 AM
I had my friend paint the bike parts for me. He unfortunately has retired from painting. I am planning to have my bikes powder coated in the Spring. The gas tank had to be chromed, then masked and scuffed so the paint will adhere.
I have an article from a German motorcycle mag scanned about the Scrambler but not sure about the legalities of putting it up online. I will see which Max manuals that pertain to the Scramble Max. Never have found a specific "owner's manual" to one but most of the regular Super Max parts and specs are the same.
Here's another NSU I have restored, a 1958 Maxi.
You can email me directly at firstname.lastname@example.org if you want
Have a good one ,
03-03-2011, 11:10 PM
Here's a link to a Super Max shop manual
03-04-2011, 06:10 AM
Thanks so much Jeff, will email you. You have done some beautiful restorations, for sure would like to pick your brain.
12-06-2011, 07:03 PM
How's the NSU project coming?