"bad seller" list?

[haring]

I am not happy about a recent transaction with a new member who posted in the for sale section.

I was way too trusting and kind, and ended up with parts that are not in good usable condition.

I have never expected JJ to babysit me, and do not need anyone to monitor deals, but is there a way for me to alert other members that this fellow is best avoided?

[Scorcher]

We would like to hear about it. Usually once one person says something a whole slew of others pipe up. Please send a pm if you'd like.

-Jason

[Dragon]

I asked for this before and Ryan didnt want it. Maybe he'll reconsider.

Specifically, one pinned thread for "buyer/seller feedback".

Not a subforum, just a single thread, only for individuals' Classifieds deals. (Jock Shop buyers are allowed to post kudos etc there.)

A simple + or - post to the thread only by the parties involved.
Excessive flaming would be removed as would "yeah he's the best" buddy-bumps.....

Searching with username in the black header tab "Search this thread" will show every post in the thread about that member.

[little d]

Dragon, maybe, if ya moved this to the main board, where everyone saw it and commented on it, Ryan would see it and reconsider? just a thought guys.

[1776J]

I think know it has helped on the HAMB, so to would it be good here.

[Moonwolf]

If the seller and buyer were encouraged to first work things out, it might help resolve any disputes. As it is now, the buyer has no recourse at all. All my deals save one have gone well--a seller misrepresented his item and would not take a return.

[haring]

Thanks for the input, gentlemen.

I'm giving the seller one more day to contact me, and then I'll consider my options at that point.

I'll report back.

I agree that some kind of simple check and balance would be helpful, though I'm reluctant to make any of the moderators work harder than they already do. Any additional work for them must surely be time consuming.

[Scorcher]

If the deal went down on this board, we will try and help. There hasnt been one deal so far we couldnt resolve.

-Jason

[haring]

I bought an exhaust system from "harley scrapper", but the system is damaged and useless to me.

I immediately offered to return the parts (I would pay shipping or return costs) for a refund, or accept a partial refund ($75) to cover the damage. My phone call, PM and email went unanswered for a week. Because the seller did not contact me, a PayPal dispute was filed.

"harley scrapper" responded via PM on 07/22/09 and stated (emphasis mine):

"you didnt have to openb a paypal dispute i will refund your 75.00 through paypal once i fix the mess another guy already made as of right now my paypal is frozen because of that guys fault not mine. please close your dipute to make the process go faster when a dispute is open no transactions can be made. so i cant even return ur 75.00...

...please close the dispute on paypal.. email me back so we can figure this out. theres no need to open a dispute"

The seller did not respond to follow-up email or the PayPal dispute, despite the fact that all he had to do was a type a short message of intent (i.e. "I will refund $75"). I received a new PM on 07/29/09 now implying that no refund would be given.

Because of the seller's repeated pleas to close the PayPal dispute, and flip-flopping on his intent to give a refund, PayPal was contacted and the dispute has been upgraded to a claim.

My communication with the seller has been quick and thorough, but the response from the seller has been slow, incomplete and contradictory.

The solution should be simple since the seller agreed to give a refund on 07/22/09.

[haring]

"harley scrapper" has rescinded his offer to give any refund.

The PayPal claim stands, and is essentially out of my hands, since claims are conducted by PayPal, not individuals.

I am done communicating with the seller, as it is not worth the effort. I will let PayPal continue its work, but otherwise just offer up the warning to others not to do business with "harley scrapper".

[haring]

Paypal has closed the claim, stating that they can only investigate claims based on shipping problems, not item quality.

Corey Wilsey A.K.A. "harley scrapper" stated on 07/22: " i will refund your 75.00 through paypal", then rescinded this offer on 08/03.

I am out $150. Corey Wilsey lied to me, so buyer beware.

[GRUMPYDGMC]

well hell yeah its good to know about your deal with him....i have had a few deals go sour here and there but so far i think i have been able to get most of them resolved.....having trouble on this last one though....i bought a really nice mousetrap set up about 3 or 4 weeks ago and still have not gotten the part....and by some stupid move on my part i have already deleted those old pms so i can't find out who owes me.....this sucks....i am out my part and of course alot of cash to boot.....and it seems i have no recourse at all here !!

[joes bakery]

hey grump .... did you try typing in "mouse trap" on the For Sale board. there is only 1 mouse trap listed in the last month ... maybe it is yours





marty

[haring]

Corey Wilsey A.K.A. "harley scrapper" stated on 07/22: " i will refund your 75.00 through paypal", then rescinded this offer on 08/03.


Corey's dad agreed to refund $40, and sent the money via PayPal tonight. Case closed.

Grumpy -- you'll figure out your deal, and I'm sure it will work out. Most of them do here.

[GRUMPYDGMC]

well i finally tracked down the seller thru my pay pal transaction and sent him an email....he was pretty rude about the whole deal and was whining that i fronted him out after only a month delay???!!! and wouldn't you know it like 4 days later the part just happens to show up...he says he has waiting over 2 months at times for some of his parts here.....anyways i can at least say now that my mousetrap did finally show up and case closed.....thanks...

[kindyr]

I'd like to bump this thread a little and throw out that I like the idea of being able to get a feel for other deals a potential seller has had.

I understand the policy of 50 posts for the for sale/wanted forums. I don't agree completely, especially with the requirement for the wanted posts, but I respect the decision of the owners of the forum to make that call. For the consideration of the site owner, I'd like to throw out for consideration that the restrictions on posts for the wanted section be lessened. I know from a personal level that is would be very nice to be able to post in the appropriate section about a couple of items I would love to purchase. you absolutely want trusted sellers, who have been around long enough to generate a history. I don't see it as quite as important for a buyer. but it is the decision of the site admin and I respect it.

But this concept of being able to see feedback for a potential seller would be a boon for potential buyers, in my opinion. On another forum I am on, the sales section is actually pretty cluttered as it is much more liberal in what it allows to be posted. so in addition to the actual For sale post, you get some commentary from lookie loos who aren't actually going to buy it, though their comments can steer the sale a bit. a well respected member of the forum commenting how the sale is a good deal, may be the decision maker for a younger member of the board. but what they actually encourage is feedback at the end of the transaction. typically, once the seller has posted that the item is sold, once the item has been received by the buyer, they will critique the sale similar to the ebay scale on communication, speed of shipment, care of packaging,etc. i find it useful on that forum because those kind of posts give a feel for how the transaction went, which gives an idea of how a future transaction should go. and a quick review of former sales can give a prospective buyer a good feel on whether or not they should buy from the seller.

All that said, I also recognize that I am still very new to this board, and don't have a complete feel for how the community as a whole operates. I do know that I have completed sales here completely through PM, and while I haven't received the item yet, still have a good feeling about the transaction(he's throwing in an extra carb to make up for a delay in shipping). And once I have received the item, I do not see an appropriate place in this forum to let the rest of the community know that this seller is a good guy and did right by me.

just throwing my thoughts out for consideration.

[B.Young]

As a newer user to the board I would love to see a thread of past and current experiences you guys have had with members. I don't think it should be a roast thread but definitely an honest one that tells what actually happen so people can decide for themselves to buy from a member or not. I also think people should want to post how "great" an experience was with someone.

just my 2 cents.

[1shot]

He has it set up on the HAMB in the Odex so that your customers can leave you a feed back, Neg. or pos. and the review has to be approved by him but if someone posts something in the neg. he trys to get the two parties involved to make up or something, or the saler to satisfie the cusotmer posting. Maybe we could have like an Odex thing?? Or maybe change the rules of the "Jock shops" around a little bit??

Idk, just a suggestion.

1shot I asked for this before and Ryan didnt wan it. Maybe he'll reconsider.

Specifically, one pinned thread for "buyer/seller feedback".

Not a subforum, just a single thread, only for individuals' Classifieds deals. (Jock Shop buyers are allowed to post kudos etc there.)

A simple + or - post to the thread only by the parties involved.
Excessive flaming would be removed as would "yeah he's the best" buddy-bumps.....

Searching with username in the black header tab "Search this thread" will show every post in the thread about that member.

[Dragon]

He has it set up on the HAMB in the Odex so.........

Maybe if you look you'll notice many other features and differences in format that are there and not here.

This has all been debated before, with the perpetual HAMB-comparisons...when he wants to upgrade or enhance our format here he will, until then, just be thankful for what we do have.

[1shot]

No, now man, damnit, i'm not tryin to step on toes or anything here, just trying to offer a helpful suggestion is all. My point was is it works out well over there, maybe it would work well over here. Just offering an idea is all.

1shot

[3Gknuck]

People just need to be responsible for themselves and have some repsect and we can all be fine.

[Dragon]

Kudos threads on the main board are OK.

Otherwise, as stated above -




If the deal went down on this board, we will try and help. There hasnt been one deal so far we couldnt resolve.

We would like to hear about it. Usually once one person says something a whole slew of others pipe up. Please send a pm if you'd like.

-Jason