The Jockey Journal: Direction & Changes

[=mike=]

76cbobber , you should read the part of this thread that says why the Denvers choppers post is so important and will stay on board .

[Tman]

i guess yall need to delete the Denvers Chopper thread, seems to me alot of those bikes are Honda.

Go back and read this thread.

[Dragon]

i guess yall need to delete the Denvers Chopper thread, seems to me alot of those bikes are Honda.


I guess YOU need to read the thread again (you and the whiners that have dragged it over to BackTalk to cry about) and see how the Denvers thread was held up as a clear exception, as it is what this focus IS about, traditional custom history.


Not hacked-up xs400s fresh off craigslist

[McQueen]

For all the "I don't give a shit what other people think of my bike," there sure are a lot of people that get mighty defensive about their bikes.

[scraper]

hopefully after the colon cleansing, cole foster & max schaff will come back & post some real deal shit like the olden days.

im looking forward to the upgrades. thanks!

[ol_scratch]

SERIOUSLY, WILL PEOPLE, PLEASE, PLEASE, LEARN TO FUCKING READ.....


"....While we will let a few Jap based threads roll every now and then, we are no longer going to host the majority of them....." - Ryan

Interpretation for the deaf dumb and retarded - cool and appropriate Japanese bikes will continue to find a place here.

For fuck sake people how do you muster the mental capacity to remember to breath (which is autonomic, you pathetic fools).

[RacerX13]

I dont give a FUCK, its not my website and do what you want, more power to you guys - In the mean time I will continue to support and learn from this site and I continually will have gratitude for you guys having it up.
As for Jap crap - love it. Personally I believe it has as much style than most HD crap out there. In my opinion most vintage Jap bikes are usually better runners than most other bikes including Euro and HD, which in turn is what a motorcycle is about - running the hell out of it - but thats just me. My point being, these are my opinions and my opinions dont mean shit when I am a guest and not in my own house.
At least I dont have to sift through the "what should I do" or "Should I make a bobber out of this" bullshit.

Cheers

[notcool]

Anyone have a program that all the interweb complainers can download that gives them the ability to first be literate and second install a little "sack" so they don't need quite as much reassurance from people they've never met, but for some reason need acceptance from? Oh, and to be able to shut up and learn a thing or two without it being all about them...I hope this internet thing is just a fad...

[Dragon]

Just thinking back on all the poopy I've had flung at me for suggesting that a newb 'find the search feature'...

[76Cbobber]

I guess YOU need to read the thread again

i realize what it says,

if you are going to pick and choose which jap threads get to stay, you should just do away with them all together.

i respect the reasoning behind this after reading it a bit more, but it should be all or none.

[octane98]

Just thinking back on all the poopy I've had flung at me for suggesting that a newb 'find the search feature'...
How do I search for the search feature ?





















Woooohaaaaa!


Well done Dragon/Doug !
Congratulations on getting this forums act together !


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[tattered]

thank you for the long awaited 'mission statement'.
i only own a jap bike at the moment and this the only forum i go to learn what i don't know about anything motorcycle related...let's get back to the good stuff.
my feelings are summarized in this comment by ol' scratch ...

"For fuck sake people how do you muster the mental capacity to remember to breath (which is autonomic, you pathetic fools)."

get it over people...

tattered...happily riding my cb750, which has never been posted on the JJ2. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[scootermcrad]

Okay, I haven't been over here for quite awhile and I found out this morning that there was going to be a "serious change" to the forum, so I thought I would stop by and see what it's all about.

I'm very passionate about traditional bikes and chops as well as the history associated with them. When this place was started it was a direct extension of the HAMB, which is basically the same thing but with four wheels. I haven't been here from JJ post #1, but I've been here for awhile and progressively saw a change in the content, people, as well as certain types of attitudes and it REALLY turned me off. This is actually the second time I've logged in here in a couple months because I got tired of coming to the main page and seeing very little of interest when it comes to traditional bikes, the history, and especially tech. Seemed like more arguments and "what color should I paint my rat bike" more than anything.

I look forward to the change and I look forward to seeing a more focused content, less cluttered reads, and look forward to some cool tech! Hopefully the change will bring some other people back that don't contribute here much anymore either.

Just for the record, I dig a lot of Japanese makes and to me all riding is fun, but I think no matter what the make of bikes are here, there needed to be a change. Glad to see it coming full circle...

Can't wait to see some new projects from people... I think I'm going to spend a little more time here and see what everyone is up to. I'm looking forward to sharing my build once I get back on it as well.

That tis all...

[Yamahad]

DOES ANYONE HAVE FRIENDS IN REAL LIFE!

p.s. listen next time your wife tells you to get off jockey journal.

[STANDARD]

How come a chick can post a thread on her new stock jap bike and it gets 3 pages long? Not American, Euro or traditional.

Because she has a vagina and this is a virtual hot dog stand.

but bill you like hotdogs.....haha

[pan5074]

Events page would be greatly appreciated.Maybe let a few fly on the main board,kind of a case by case thing?

The lack of common sense and respect of a few of you is a perfect example of why this is happening.Thank you Ryan and Mods.

[blackcrown]

DOES ANYONE HAVE FRIENDS IN REAL LIFE!

p.s. listen next time your wife tells you to get off jockey journal.



I sure do. They all hang out on the jockey journal, and don't piss and moan when the rule maker puts his foot down.

[Frosty]

fuck you ! fuck you! fuck you! your cool! fuck you ! i'm out. how can you fucks decide what i should be posting and or building? just more lame fucks trying to impose their will and views of cool on others. again fuck you i'm out!

More inteligent words from the uninformed.Hope you can find a board that lives up to your expectations.Good luck.

[Shiny]

The only thing I gotta say is ....Thanx for the frickin notice on deleting all the "good" jap build threads. I had some saved as favorites that HAD some very good ideas (for any make, year or model of bike)
Couldn't have given more time for some of us to at least save some pics eh!
Hopefully the board gets better.

* Having EVO milled bikes on here aint right at all. At least make it pre '84 . Cuz frankly what the hell is so traditional as an 80's mill in anything. :eek::confused::rolleyes:

[Tman]

they let you post that noise, it cant be all bad, can it?

Yeah, it felt MUCH better not hitting the delete button on that one. ;)

[Tman]

Ok, serious now.

Since I am privileged to be able to help Ryan on this board I will give you my perspective. The last two bikes I had on the road were CBs. One is now in my brothers hands and being rebuilt a few feet away in my shop.

It did pain us that we were going to alienate some folks. But the XS/Jap thing was a distraction from the original focus of this place. Ryan made the final call, and by his track record I think it is a good one.

The CB? It may or may not ever fit in here. I am currently gathering parts for a roller I bought off PanheadChuck here last summer. I am not spending a fortune on the bike, I will have a nice solid runner for less than4-5K. Bikes are CHEAP, I had 3K in small parts on my 27 Touring when I did final assembly. You know, glitzy things like brake lines and belts.

My point? I have a vested interest in all makes, my shop has Jap,Italian and American in it right now. But in the end, this place needed a tighter focus.

Like we said, Jap bikes are not banned, I encourage guys to BUILD outstanding Jap based bikes.(sentinel and I are working on that right now) The Denvers Chopper thread is a great litmus test. Those bikes look good DECADES after they were created. It is more than stripping some shit off and throwing on a hardtail and solo seat. Same can be said for HD "builds"

Have fun, the new Jockey Journal is what you make of it.

[AJH]

I am lost does anyone have a compass ?

[Cris]

Thanks Ryan, Dragon, Tman and all the other mods. This is great news.

Cris

[Too Many Projects]

A good example of what my earlier post was about - undo entitlement syndrome.

"Traditional" - that which predates the modern in a resonating pattern. "Traditional Style" - that which represents a clear lineage of predecessing ideology on a multitude of characteristics. Not a replica, not an imitation.

I like XS's, BUT an XS dressed to BE a BSA chopper is an imitation. HOWEVER, a CB750 chopped is an original BECAUSE it is part of clear historical lineage.

+3031 on the "If you have to ask...."

I agree with most of what's happening on the board, most. The thread is getting so long I didn't want to forget my thought before I ever got to the end so I thought I'd say this before I got to the end.
In your post you said "I like XS's, BUT an XS dressed to BE a BSA chopper is an imitation. HOWEVER, a CB750 chopped is an original BECAUSE it is part of clear historical lineage." and while I understand what you are saying, and no, I'm not an XS builder/fan, I just wondered at what point the 750s became a part of history and at what point the XSs will become a part of history. When the first 750 chops started showing up (yes I was around then, I'm really old...) they got the same kind of flack the XS guys get now. They were an attempt to build a version of a Harley chopper with an alternate starting point. After enough people built them and a few of the big names of that time built them they became "accepted".
For the record I'm a Harley guy and feel they stopped making them after they stopped making Shovelheads. But that's me and I'll still respect the effort and skill to build almost any bike. That's why I hope all they guys that are building XS chopps (or is it bobbers, or whatever the current term is) keep it up and it's too bad in a way they won't have a place here. But hey, I guess if I want to see them I can go look on other boards too. I just probably won't.
But my main point here is that I don't see 750s as being any more valid than XSs. It's all just a personal preference thing anyway.

[adem]

it is a good day

[silent rick]

reading for comprehension has never been a strong point for you fuckers. this isn't an outright ban on all jap bikes, it's about trying to stay true to the focus on what this board was created on.

[76Cbobber]

i dont know if this is possible, but i sent ryan a PM with a suggestion...



since there are soo many jap chopper fans here, what if you added a section for jap and only jap bikes? that way we would stay out of the normal stuff, but be able to still be apart of the board, i have learned alot in a short time on here, and i hate to see that part go.

[Nads]

I got nothin to say man

[Regulator]

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/13357


http://images.mccoveychronicles.com/images/admin/BeatDeadHorse.gif

That made me pee a little....

You are THE MAN!!!!.....

As far as the change goes???....fuckin' AAAAA!!!!

[Regulator]

i guess yall need to delete the Denvers Chopper thread, seems to me alot of those bikes are Honda.

Sorry to tell you this sir, but you are a fucking retard....if you think that the Denvers post falls into the category of the ones that aren't welcome, then you need to go back to school and start at second grade again....

I am assuming that's where you left off....

If this was my board, I'd ban you for posting such a stupid fucking remark....

I'm usually not one to bust someone's balls this bad, but that totally ignorant remark almost made ME mental...

Just fuckin' saying....

Larry in fucking MD

[fuckwinter]

seems there's 2 camps
- those who came here because there was so much inspiration in ALL forms of cycling inc. older HD's, Brits, Jap, dirt tracking etc etc. I am one of those people. I always thought the emotion and creativity of a build by a builder was far more inspiring than the brand name the bike carried

- the other group are those who want a small, dedicated forum for what appeals to them. Ryan is in this group and as the owner has every right to get to that point as he sees fit. We can stay or go but need to respect his decidsion.

I think what is bumming people out is that while the JJ may have started one way, it grew to appeal to so many more people because it morphed into something where everyone could find inspiration. So it seems like a reasonable idea would be to start a sister-forum for all the jap/evo/whatever types and have both forums. Let people post where appropriate but maintain that relationship between JJ members on the forums.

Most of the other bike forums suck. Lack of soul. I don't post a ton here but I read all day long because this place offered about as much soul as could be expected from a lectric typing machine. We should be able to come up with the japperjournal or whatever and bring those members along.

[Gazachop]

Ok, serious now.

Since I am privileged to be able to help Ryan on this board I will give you my perspective. The last two bikes I had on the road were CBs. One is now in my brothers hands and being rebuilt a few feet away in my shop.

It did pain us that we were going to alienate some folks. But the XS/Jap thing was a distraction from the original focus of this place. Ryan made the final call, and by his track record I think it is a good one.

The CB? It may or may not ever fit in here. I am currently gathering parts for a roller I bought off PanheadChuck here last summer. I am not spending a fortune on the bike, I will have a nice solid runner for less than4-5K. Bikes are CHEAP, I had 3K in small parts on my 27 Touring when I did final assembly. You know, glitzy things like brake lines and belts.

My point? I have a vested interest in all makes, my shop has Jap,Italian and American in it right now. But in the end, this place needed a tighter focus.

Like we said, Jap bikes are not banned, I encourage guys to BUILD outstanding Jap based bikes.(sentinel and I are working on that right now) The Denvers Chopper thread is a great litmus test. Those bikes look good DECADES after they were created. It is more than stripping some shit off and throwing on a hardtail and solo seat. Same can be said for HD "builds"

Have fun, the new Jockey Journal is what you make of it.


Since making the decision to put the JJ "back on track" ... the content is sensational!

Great job guys!:D

[ol_scratch]

Too Many Projects -from my take the CB750 favoritism built out of two things. One the CB750 was cheaper and actually more plentiful at the time, than the XS's. And it had a distinction of its own. The XS was nothing more than an imitation of a unitized A10. Which kind of unwittingly branded it an imitation. I will say XS's as cafe racers seemed the more popular way to go. I think it really came down to the plentitude of the CB's and he uniqueness of the time. (Plus they were heavy hogs that I think guys just felt more compelled to alter? - kind of like that last call fat chick you never talk about :0 )

[flypa38]

Just an observation.......everyone who can't/didn't read the very first post by Ryan and are leaving 'cause they think everything Jap is banned can move on and not look back. I think the whole "only comprehend what is convenient, blow the rest out of proportion" attitude is a big part of why the board lost focus. I also think those that care enough to read and understand what Ryan said will stay and those are the folks that SHOULD be here anyhow, no matter what they ride or build.
One last comment, the analogy about the library.........this isn't a library. Libraries are public and funded by the public. Here's a better analogy. Each time you log on, consider yourself ringing the doorbell at Ryan's house. When the screen says "thank you for logging on" Either Ryan or a trusted member of his family (the moderators) answers the door and welcomes you into Ryan's study. Ryan pays all the bills, provides all the room where the books are kept, and doesn't charge anyone a dime for using his stuff. Now, after all that don't you think Ryan is entitled to decide what books he keeps in his study and has the right to make some rules?

Thanks Ryan and Mods, for providing us with what we have here! I learn a lot on here every day.
Johnny

[6T Sinner]

Just got back from Iraq a month ago, and honestly haven't spent much time here at JJ because of the "drift" over the last year. It's okay, but I am lookng forward to the refocus. I remember drooling while I lurked on all the cool threads from such wise builders as I'd seen on these pages a couple years ago... I hope they come back. I will.

[76Cbobber]

Sorry to tell you this sir, but you are a fucking retard....if you think that the Denvers post falls into the category of the ones that aren't welcome, then you need to go back to school and start at second grade again....

I am assuming that's where you left off....

If this was my board, I'd ban you for posting such a stupid fucking remark....

I'm usually not one to bust someone's balls this bad, but that totally ignorant remark almost made ME mental...

Just fuckin' saying....

Larry in fucking MD
you have your opinion just like i have mine, what makes yours better?
i am not against the change, it just sucks, i totally understand it.
but where do you draw the line?

[Regulator]

Thanx for saying what I couldn't say because I flipped out, Mr FlyPa38...

You were Homo Erectus...I was Neanderthal....

Very well put!!!

Larry in a now calmer, gentler MD

[WDR]

Probably not the best place for a first post, but I really had no desire to sign up until I saw the post about how JJ was going to change. I have a 78 Ironhead and will hopefully soon will post a thread about me turning it into a Jockey Journal worthy bike. Until that time I will sit back and read some hopefully cool threads about people building bikes, be it Japanese, British, or American. I will be happy to stop skipping over the silly questions to see the really cool shit.

[Regulator]

you have your opinion just like i have mine, what makes yours better?
i am not against the change, it just sucks, i totally understand it.
but where do you draw the line?

Where do you draw the line????.....are you fucking serious????....can you equate a thread that is all about one of the Gods of 60's and 70's Chopperdom, that built ALL kinds of bikes (engine-wise), that is also a great HISTORY LESSON to those that aren't old enough to remember those days, to a thread about someone posting their stripped down '76 CB 750 for all to see???

You say it sucks.... well, tough shit...It's Ryan's call and evidentally the majority of the rest of the folks here....if you can't distinguish a difference in those two examples, then I really feel sorry for you....

And just so you know....I have a '75 CB 550 and a '76 CB 750....do you see what bike is in my avatar???....my '58 fucking Panhead...do you see what I am getting at here???....look back in my post history....see if I posted pics of my Honda's here....then see my pics of my '66 T-120R 650 Triumph Bonneville and my '58 Panhead...

This is NOT brain surgery dude....

Larry in mental (again) MD

[hillbillyhell]

Just an observation.......everyone who can't/didn't read the very first post by Ryan and are leaving 'cause they think everything Jap is banned can move on and not look back. I think the whole "only comprehend what is convenient, blow the rest out of proportion" attitude is a big part of why the board lost focus. I also think those that care enough to read and understand what Ryan said will stay and those are the folks that SHOULD be here anyhow, no matter what they ride or build.


Thanks for making that so maybe people will get it. I felt compelled to read this entire thread, and all I got out of it was that folks don't really read. It's almost not even a Jap bike vs everything else deal, it's about the board focusing on traditionally inspired, well built bikes. That damn simple. If y'all can't figure out what is meant by that, your tastes are counter to the tastes of the core group here anyhow, not to mention those of the guy that owns the joint.

Nobody here hates Japanese motorcycles, well not many people anyhow. I mean hell, I use Honda front ends all the time. The problem, really, is that of all the SHIT posts over the last year, 99% of them involve some mostly stock craigslist CB with Clubmans and struts.

I welcome the change, it'll be nice to get some quality back, lately the good stuff gets pushed off the first page in an hour.

[Dragon]

It's ok, Larry, "some men you just cant reach"......


In mr Cbobber's long time here, he has never been on the Questions board apparently, to have seen the DOZENS of threads in the past months asking for sub-forums for this or that or jap or states or events or whatever....and the consistent unequivocable negative response (sent down from guess who ?).

Yet he has had the idea, after supposedly re-reading this thread, to PM Ryan to suggest sub-forums for japs as the answer.




Did you notice Danny F bringing back up the Dave Mann thread today ??

That's what we need more of, fresh on-topic content or revival of the REAL thing these archives are rich in.

[glorydays]

Really, the only bike that counts is a harley and a triumph...

[Too Many Projects]

Too Many Projects -from my take the CB750 favoritism built out of two things. One the CB750 was cheaper and actually more plentiful at the time, than the XS's. And it had a distinction of its own. The XS was nothing more than an imitation of a unitized A10. Which kind of unwittingly branded it an imitation. I will say XS's as cafe racers seemed the more popular way to go. I think it really came down to the plentitude of the CB's and he uniqueness of the time. (Plus they were heavy hogs that I think guys just felt more compelled to alter? - kind of like that last call fat chick you never talk about :0 )


Who told you about the fat chick??? I was drunk, er, I don't drink... Look, I only saw her a few more times.

By the way, is that Spitfire as in Triumph? I have one of those.

[coptic]

+1 on the board change, that goes for the cb350 an xs650 i the garage as well

[honkytonking]

hell yea

[jed.only]

jap owner here, not well liked, and it doesnt bother me a bit. so my platform doesnt conform to your definition of cool, big deal. the only reason i joined was to mingle in the genre of modding scooters, and by modding i dont mean bolting up a set of dragbars and garage made struts. i mean cutting stuff up, using parts from other models, and just making something mine. if that doesnt fit in, then i guess i got the wrong idea about this place.

putting samson pipes on your harley does not make you hotrod. what difference does it make what platform i chose? when i see an Opel with a gnarly BBC, i see all of the work it took to make it happen. that is hotrod to me. do i like seeing Mazda RX7s with LS1 powerplants? i don't care for the platform, but i appreciate the work that was done. asking me stupid questions about how to change the oil will upset me, however.

but the line has been made, swords have been drawn, and the outcome is somewhat final.

id have to agree with all of the complaints concerning BS threads about XS and CB bikes asking very elementary questions, that just doesnt belong. i imagine that is what we're talking about here.

i dont care if im accepted or not. ill lurk, and read, and use whatever i have to in order to make my bike what i want it to be. thats what i joined for, not comraderie.

[Bozi]

I wish I wasnt on dail up here at the house. I look forward to reading every page & post at the shop after work fri. (high speed at shop good, dial up at home sucks ...bad)

I think this will be a good change. There are a lot of forums out there, this one is unique, powerful, & more informative then all my back issues of everything.

From the first few pages I got to read, I think some need to at least read, word for word what Ryan wrote in his post.

Powerful.......Ryans post having 12,000 veiws in less then 24 hours. Something has been done rite.

[Glen]

I read the board everyday....but I dont post much. I never considered my shiny new S&S shovelhead "A Shovelhead" when the term was discussed and in general I think my bike as a whole is off-topic....when looking at the details, I think it is on topic.

Hopefully build pics and fabrication stuff continues? restoration is kind of boring.


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[Buster]

I was away on a military exercise when the change happened, but I am very pleased to see it. I had fun reading through the 30 pages (!) of comments when I got back yesterday. Lots of people throwing their toys out of the crib (most with less than 200 posts, I notice).

If you walk into a rough looking biker bar because you want to be "cool" and tough, then don't start complaining because they don't make a mojito or a crantini like they do at your neighborhood TGI Friday's.

I also don't buy the "well, I can't afford one of those bikes like you cool elitist crowd" argument. I am in the military (not usually known for its ridiculously high salaries.) I have two little girls, a wife, and a mortgage. But I have scrimped and traded and bartered to own my '53 Pan chopper and my handbuilt evo rigid. Do I own an RV, or go to Hawaii every year, or have a 50" plasma TV? No, since I have priorities and a limited budget. Lots of people that complain they can't afford stuff are actually saying they can't afford that stuff, AND all the other crap they want.

Both my bikes were built largely in the garage with the help of buddies, many of whom were pulling parts (or engines) out from under dust from their personal stashes. You know how you get buddies like that? By listening, and being cool, and putting your dues in. Just like here, when I have tried to shoot my mouth off, I have generally been put in my place. Guys that do it once or twice too often generally don't get asked back to the garage.



You want change, there's other forums.

Or obama.

As usual, Dragon nails it.

[Tman]

I was away on a military exercise when the change happened, but I am very pleased to see it. I had fun reading through the 30 pages (!) of comments when I got back yesterday. Lots of people throwing their toys out of the crib (most with less than 200 posts, I notice).

If you walk into a rough looking biker bar because you want to be "cool" and tough, then don't start complaining because they don't make a mojito or a crantini like they do at your neighborhood TGI Friday's.

I also don't buy the "well, I can't afford one of those bikes like you cool elitist crowd" argument. I am in the military (not usually known for its ridiculously high salaries.) I have two little girls, a wife, and a mortgage. But I have scrimped and traded and bartered to own my '53 Pan chopper and my handbuilt evo rigid. Do I own an RV, or go to Hawaii every year, or have a 50" plasma TV? No, since I have priorities and a limited budget. Lots of people that complain they can't afford stuff are actually saying they can't afford that stuff, AND all the other crap they want.

Both my bikes were built largely in the garage with the help of buddies, many of whom were pulling parts (or engines) out from under dust from their personal stashes. You know how you get buddies like that? By listening, and being cool, and putting your dues in. Just like here, when I have tried to shoot my mouth off, I have generally been put in my place. Guys that do it once or twice too often generally don't get asked back to the garage.




As usual, Dragon nails it.
YOU are a voice of reason AND a hero. Thanks for you service for you country. It all comes down to the fact of.......how bad do you want it?

[CHOPPERJIM]

I hope you don't mind me dropping a little bit of information on the Denvers Choppers. The only CB750 on these is the engine & rear hub. The frame is all American, built by Denver Mullins & the artisans @ DENVERS CHOPPERS. Thank you for the support. Any other information can be had on that thread. ChopperJim.

[jq49pan]

right on!

[=JL=]

Some people here are complaining as if they had been banned from the Jockey Journal. Neither of my bikes are JJ-style, both being fairly stock, consequently I feel no reason to impose them on fellow members with lengthy "look at me" threads. But that doesn't make me feel unwelcome here.
Similarly, I can read and enjoy Greasy Kulture and Dice magazines without DEMANDING that they feature my bikes.
Everyone is still welcome here, put your egos aside and learn a little.

[kayjohn]

WOW!! I finally made it to the end.
Now I 'm not a builder ( I'm a preserver ) I can build and fab. but enjoy the challenge taking a bike of historic value and restoring it back to it's original glory.Mainly Denvers Choppers.I have posted most of my contributions on the Denvers thread that Tony Bones started talking about a Jap bike. I enjoy looking around the J.J. on other topics and have posted their when I felt I had positive input. I like all bikes and what they are used for. racing,cruizin,etc.
Reading this entire thread I tend to agree with the majority. Change can be good or bad. If bad change it again simple as that. I'm a real junior nubee member and guest hear and can understand and respect Ryan's rules. After all as many have said this is his sand box.
I appreciate the opportunity to share my knowledge of Denver and thank everyone else who I have learned from.

[Ryan]

Alright... back to the topic at hand.